[News] Leaving Neverland- Michael Jackson documentary

[Triggaaar]

Powerful stuff. No bullshit detected. Case closed.

This is my thoughts after watching it all. 100% guilty in my opinion.

What, 100% guilty, with no evidence?

 

[Triggaaar]

As an aside, you wouldn’t want Triggar on your side in court would you!

A poor choice of attack, since I recently won a 9 year old court case, with me vs two partners from a law firm.

 

[BBassic]

It is nothing like a Flat Earth or 911 conspiracy. We have seen Jackson's defence. It is all documented and he doesn't need to be alive to defend himself. The only question is whether we believe that they are being truthful and I have never seen as much truth and honesty on a subject of huge embarrassment.

The first of the two to come out is a well known choreographer and is doing very well in his own right. Would you make up a story about orally pleasuring MJ for a payout? I can think of better things in history to be remembered for.

That's something else I struggled with watching the documentary.

Again, I believe Wade. But I wonder if knowing Jackson didn't help his career a bit. 19 years old and choreographing routines for two of the biggest (N'Sync and Britney Spears) acts around? Either he was / is very, very good or there may have been a well placed phonecall from a certain global superstar. It felt like the documentary glossed over that time skip somewhat. He went from being a kid going on tour with Jackson to a young teenager teaching the odd class at a dance school to a very well known and sought after choreographer by 19. I would have liked some context or extra information on that.

I don't know. It definitely doesn't detract from what he went through though. Whether Jackson helped his career or not, it doesn't excuse what he did to a very young child.

 

[The Clamp]

A poor choice of attack, since I recently won a 9 year old court case, with me vs two partners from a law firm.

9 years? Doesn’t sound like much of a victory to me! 9 years!

 

[Wrong-Direction]

Just watched it, he did it.

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[Triggaaar]

9 years? Doesn’t sound like much of a victory to me! 9 years!

When there's a claim for over half a million, and they settle for zero, it sure feels like a victory.

 

[bluenitsuj]

What, 100% guilty, with no evidence?

In my opinion. You are welcome to your opinion.

I believe the account of the two in the documentary. That alone does not make MJ guilty in the eyes of the law but my gut feeling, although irrelevant is that he was guilty.

 

[The Clamp]

When there's a claim for over half a million, and they settle for zero, it sure feels like a victory.

Fair play. That must be a weight off.

 

[symyjym]

What, 100% guilty, with no evidence?

In my opinion, based on their testimony and my judgement of character, yes he is totally guilty of grooming children. Being dead shouldn't help paedophiles and it didn't with Savile who has also not been convicted of sexual abuse in a court of law.

History will be the judge and Radio 2 have already said that they have removed Jackson from their playlists.

 

[Triggaaar]

That's something else I struggled with watching the documentary.

Again, I believe Wade. But I wonder if knowing Jackson didn't help his career a bit. 19 years old and choreographing routines for two of the biggest (N'Sync and Britney Spears) acts around? Either he was / is very, very good or there may have been a well placed phonecall from a certain global superstar. It felt like the documentary glossed over that time skip somewhat. He went from being a kid going on tour with Jackson to a young teenager teaching the odd class at a dance school to a very well known and sought after choreographer by 19. I would have liked some context or extra information on that.

I don't know. It definitely doesn't detract from what he went through though. Whether Jackson helped his career or not, it doesn't excuse what he did to a very young child.

Most of us have never idolised someone to the extent Wade idolised Jackson. On top of that, they became great friends and Wade's career was helped greatly by Jackson. Given that, why on earth would he then make all this up?

 

[Triggaaar]

In my opinion, based on their testimony and my judgement of character, yes he is totally guilty of grooming children. Being dead shouldn't help paedophiles and it didn't with Savile who has also not been convicted of sexual abuse in a court of law.

History will be the judge and Radio 2 have already said that they have removed Jackson from their playlists.

Yes I agree. I was just joking that, according to those arguing with me, you're 100% sure he's guilty without having any evidence (obviously there is evidence).

In my opinion. You are welcome to your opinion.

My opinion is that you're right, I'm just poking fun at those trying to mock me.

 

[Triggaaar]

Fair play. That must be a weight off.

Thanks. Weight off is an understatement.

 

[pishhead]

It is nothing like a Flat Earth or 911 conspiracy. We have seen Jackson's defence. It is all documented and he doesn't need to be alive to defend himself. The only question is whether we believe that they are being truthful and I have never seen as much truth and honesty on a subject of huge embarrassment.

The first of the two to come out is a well known choreographer and is doing very well in his own right. Would you make up a story about orally pleasuring MJ for a payout? I can think of better things in history to be remembered for.

Again for context only. I don't have a dog in the fight.

This was a tweet from music executive Clyde Jenkins. This is just some of the stuff this one sided documentary conveniently left out. Anyone can make a documentary and make it look like it’s the whole truth. It’s not.

Tweet
Wade Robson... you should be ashamed of yourself!!! You and your family befriended the biggest star in the world. I personally recall your mom Joy calling MJJ Music with a sob story about needing money knowing that Michael Jackson loved her and your entire family and would do anything to help her. Michael especially loved you like a son because you dreamed of being a dancer as your mother took you around Australia impersonating who.... Michael Jackson.

Your family moved to the United States leaving your father behind and Michael gave you a record deal as part of a rap duo named QUO! It FAILED!!!

Michael Set you up with his niece Brandi and you guys were together for several years... until you CHEATED with other woman several Times.... she left you!

You still remained in the Jackson Circle.... Why? Because it opened doors for you being associated with Michael Jackson and his family.

That association with Michael Jackson afforded you the opportunity to befriend such artist as Justin Timberlake and Brittany spears... and what did you do...You started working with Justin as a Choreographer and then slept with his girlfriend Brittany Spears and was FIRED. Justin then wrote a song about it called "Cry Me A River". And yet you called Justin your FRIEND!!!

You used your association with Michael Jackson to befriend PRINCE and Mayte.... and what did you do.... You slept with HER!!! Some friend you are!!

You use your association with Michael Jackson to get yourself a gig on a television dance show.... word gets out about your previous disregard and loyalty toward high profile celebrities... and what happens.... you get CUT from that show.

Michael Jackson plans his THIS IS IT concert and you BEG to be the choreographer for the show.... Michael Chooses another Choreographer.... what do you do now that your web of lies are catching up with you and you are now Hollywood damaged goods.... You turn on the one man who looked out for you and your family your ENTIRE life and make up child abuse/molestation allegations that you have emphatically stated for many many years....NEVER HAPPENED!!

Fast forward to today... Michael Jackson is sadly NO LONGER with us. You now beg Michaels Nephew Taj Jackson for VIP access to Michael Jacksons funeral for YOU and your entire family. yet you claim this monster molested you...Sick.

You are now considered a home wrecking, disloyal individual and is essentially blackballed from Hollywood. What do you do? Because You know the world knows you are associated with Michael Jackson.... you use that association once again to change your LIFE LONG STORY to now claim... Michael Jackson molested you. Why? because you are BROKE and your wife is demanding you start making money or she will leave you.

You now convince another broke kid from Michaels past (Pepsi commercial) to join you in a frivolous lawsuit against Michael Jacksons Estate for 100's of Millions of dollars. The courts agree that there is no merit to this lawsuit and dismiss it!!

The Jackson family never fight back when people say disparaging things about their family. Mrs. Jackson once told me when i questioned her about this... she replied "because DIRT sinks and CREAM rises"

Wade knows this to be true as well.... so what does he do? He and James Safechuck concoct a story so salacious, so scandalous so despicable, and presents it to HBO for a one sided EXPLOSIVE televised documentary of LIES... in hopes that the Michael Jackson BILLION DOLLAR ESTATE will settle with you financially to make this documentary go away.

Well that documentary of LIES will air this weekend.... and unlike the Jackson's past... this new generations of Jackson kids are not having it!! they are suing HBO for airing your lying ass!!

I hope when this is all said and done, the estate counter sues YOU in civil court and WIN! I hope it renders you penniless for the rest of your life. Michael Jackson was good to YOU, your mother Joy and your sister Chantel.... and because your gravy train has run out... THIS is how you repay him. You are a sad excuse for a human being!!!

Sorry for this long post... but knowing what i know I just couldn't be silent.

For any of you who thought Michael Jackson was strange... I get it... because there is no one else on earth to compare him to. Yes, there are other child stars who grew up to "blend in" to society...and i get it... But when you are Michael Jackson and the only thing on earth that is more recognizable than you is the yellow "M" at McDonalds..... that in itself is "Strange!"

Anyways.... i say... boycott the documentary... and if you MUST WATCH... know that you now know the basis of the scandalous lies contained within the documentary!

Let that man rest in PEACE!!!

Clyde

 

[bluenitsuj]

Yes I agree. I was just joking that, according to those arguing with me, you're 100% sure he's guilty without having any evidence (obviously there is evidence).

My opinion is that you're right, I'm just poking fun at those trying to mock me.

No problem.

 

[The Clamp]

Thanks. Weight off is an understatement.

Hope you can move on and no lasting damage for you. Well done.

 

[symyjym]

That's something else I struggled with watching the documentary.

Again, I believe Wade. But I wonder if knowing Jackson didn't help his career a bit. 19 years old and choreographing routines for two of the biggest (N'Sync and Britney Spears) acts around? Either he was / is very, very good or there may have been a well placed phonecall from a certain global superstar. It felt like the documentary glossed over that time skip somewhat. He went from being a kid going on tour with Jackson to a young teenager teaching the odd class at a dance school to a very well known and sought after choreographer by 19. I would have liked some context or extra information on that.

I don't know. It definitely doesn't detract from what he went through though. Whether Jackson helped his career or not, it doesn't excuse what he did to a very young child.

Of course it helped his career, but he was also a very good dancer and teacher of dance with hundreds of students wanting his time. How is your dancing these days? Could you fake it to the top if you had the right contacts?

If you want more details about his life I am sure Google will be of good use to you. But you do realise that you are almost saying that "he didn't do too bad out of it and was a small price to pay because he got what he wanted"?

 

[symyjym]

Again for context only. I don't have a dog in the fight.

This was a tweet from music executive Clyde Jenkins. This is just some of the stuff this one sided documentary conveniently left out. Anyone can make a documentary and make it look like it’s the whole truth. It’s not.

Tweet����
Wade Robson... you should be ashamed of yourself!!! You and your family befriended the biggest star in the world. I personally recall your mom Joy calling MJJ Music with a sob story about needing money knowing that Michael Jackson loved her and your entire family and would do anything to help her. Michael especially loved you like a son because you dreamed of being a dancer as your mother took you around Australia impersonating who.... Michael Jackson.

Your family moved to the United States leaving your father behind and Michael gave you a record deal as part of a rap duo named QUO! It FAILED!!!

Michael Set you up with his niece Brandi and you guys were together for several years... until you CHEATED with other woman several Times.... she left you!

You still remained in the Jackson Circle.... Why? Because it opened doors for you being associated with Michael Jackson and his family.

That association with Michael Jackson afforded you the opportunity to befriend such artist as Justin Timberlake and Brittany spears... and what did you do...You started working with Justin as a Choreographer and then slept with his girlfriend Brittany Spears and was FIRED. Justin then wrote a song about it called "Cry Me A River". And yet you called Justin your FRIEND!!!

You used your association with Michael Jackson to befriend PRINCE and Mayte.... and what did you do.... You slept with HER!!! Some friend you are!!

You use your association with Michael Jackson to get yourself a gig on a television dance show.... word gets out about your previous disregard and loyalty toward high profile celebrities... and what happens.... you get CUT from that show.

Michael Jackson plans his THIS IS IT concert and you BEG to be the choreographer for the show.... Michael Chooses another Choreographer.... what do you do now that your web of lies are catching up with you and you are now Hollywood damaged goods.... You turn on the one man who looked out for you and your family your ENTIRE life and make up child abuse/molestation allegations that you have emphatically stated for many many years....NEVER HAPPENED!!

Fast forward to today... Michael Jackson is sadly NO LONGER with us. You now beg Michaels Nephew Taj Jackson for VIP access to Michael Jacksons funeral for YOU and your entire family. yet you claim this monster molested you...Sick.

You are now considered a home wrecking, disloyal individual and is essentially blackballed from Hollywood. What do you do? Because You know the world knows you are associated with Michael Jackson.... you use that association once again to change your LIFE LONG STORY to now claim... Michael Jackson molested you. Why? because you are BROKE and your wife is demanding you start making money or she will leave you.

You now convince another broke kid from Michaels past (Pepsi commercial) to join you in a frivolous lawsuit against Michael Jacksons Estate for 100's of Millions of dollars. The courts agree that there is no merit to this lawsuit and dismiss it!!

The Jackson family never fight back when people say disparaging things about their family. Mrs. Jackson once told me when i questioned her about this... she replied "because DIRT sinks and CREAM rises"

Wade knows this to be true as well.... so what does he do? He and James Safechuck concoct a story so salacious, so scandalous so despicable, and presents it to HBO for a one sided EXPLOSIVE televised documentary of LIES... in hopes that the Michael Jackson BILLION DOLLAR ESTATE will settle with you financially to make this documentary go away.

Well that documentary of LIES will air this weekend.... and unlike the Jackson's past... this new generations of Jackson kids are not having it!! they are suing HBO for airing your lying ass!!

I hope when this is all said and done, the estate counter sues YOU in civil court and WIN! I hope it renders you penniless for the rest of your life. Michael Jackson was good to YOU, your mother Joy and your sister Chantel.... and because your gravy train has run out... THIS is how you repay him. You are a sad excuse for a human being!!!

Sorry for this long post... but knowing what i know I just couldn't be silent.

For any of you who thought Michael Jackson was strange... I get it... because there is no one else on earth to compare him to. Yes, there are other child stars who grew up to "blend in" to society...and i get it... But when you are Michael Jackson and the only thing on earth that is more recognizable than you is the yellow "M" at McDonalds..... that in itself is "Strange!"

Anyways.... i say... boycott the documentary... and if you MUST WATCH... know that you now know the basis of the scandalous lies contained within the documentary!

Let that man rest in PEACE!!!

Clyde

Not sure what I am meant to get from that paste?

Who is Clyde Jenkins?

There are lots of people in denial because Jackson has been a massive part in some peoples life.

https://youtu.be/Abhw7QbHtBQ

 

[Triggaaar]

I didnt see part one but watched part two last night and have to admit I am confused about what I think. I can see why the boys testified when they were younger that nothing happened it was clear they were either well coached by the defense teams or nothing happened. I struggle with the concept that Mum stayed in MJ's house in a bedroom, allowing her son to sleep in a bed with MJ in another room. Then MJ buys Mum a house, what parent would allow thier child to sleep with a man in his bed? It looks all wrong.

Watch episode one and you can see how the families went along with it. It was a great opportunity for their kids to have amazing careers, the kids were incredibly happy and assured their parents everything was fine. The kids didn't think they were being abused.

 

[pishhead]

Not sure what I am meant to get from that paste?

Who is Clyde Jenkins?

There are lots of people in denial because Jackson has been a massive part in some peoples life.

https://youtu.be/Abhw7QbHtBQ

You can take what you want from it, I was merely putting a different slant on it. Look, Michael Jackson could well have been the biggest predatory paedophile of our lifetime, or not. My point was that the agenda of said documentary was to put across a particular narrative.

 

[Triggaaar]

Hope you can move on and no lasting damage for you. Well done.

Thanks. Yes, all is good. Had to fight for 9 years with the prospect of losing our home, but thankfully it's over now and it didn't cause a divorce