Learning to love David Burke - "I’m not here to try and become the first team manager"

[kevtherev]

Apart from 19 months at Southampton, 10 months at Manchester City, 13 months at Fulham dealing with senior scouting networks across local, national and international leagues? You're being pretty selective with his CV. Do you mean the bloke who signed Leo Ulloa, PIG, Wayne Bridge, Matthew Upson, David Lopez, Andrea Orlandi, Bruno, Rohan Ince, Stephen Ward and so on...? Horribly out of his depth.

No-one's holding a gun to your head, but listen to the interview with him.

Plus... you didn't answer my question. Why do you want to give the job to someone who has no experience nor time to do the enormous job done by David Burke?

Sorry, can you highlight the bit where I said I wanted to give to job to someone with no experience......For the record, I don't even want us to have a director of football. I want us to have a manager, who manages the team and makes all decisions on team affairs. That way we all know where the buck stops.

 

[Bwian]

Only time will tell, if this will work. Personally I'd rather have a manager, manage the club I support.

Like Harry Redknapp you mean? Or Kenny Dalglish? Or many others who left clubs crippled with debt and players on long contracts with crazy wages?

 

[Bold Seagull]

Sorry, can you highlight the bit where I said I wanted to give to job to someone with no experience......For the record, I don't even want us to have a director of football. I want us to have a manager, who manages the team and makes all decisions on team affairs. That way we all know where the buck stops.

So this has absolutely nothing to do with David Burke, but the structure our Chairman has implemented. Perhaps you should start a Bloom Out poll?

To be honest, I wouldn't put it past you...

 

[kevtherev]

I come back to this subject in a few months time. I doubt there will be many Burke supporters come August....We will wait and see.

 

[The Large One]

Sorry, can you highlight the bit where I said I wanted to give to job to someone with no experience......For the record, I don't even want us to have a director of football. I want us to have a manager, who manages the team and makes all decisions on team affairs. That way we all know where the buck stops.

You've just contradicted yourself.

You want a 'manager' who will also do David Burke's job? The current incumbent has little or no experience of that.

 

[HAILSHAM SEAGULL]

Sorry, can you highlight the bit where I said I wanted to give to job to someone with no experience......For the record, I don't even want us to have a director of football. I want us to have a manager, who manages the team and makes all decisions on team affairs. That way we all know where the buck stops.

Yes, lets have a manager like Harry the Spiv or Fat Sam.
They do all their work through their dodgy agents (Curtis is Sams one isnt it), So that they spunk millions on players that said agents have on their books, and earn 1000's in commissions and doing dodgy brown envelope deals in Service Station car parks.

 

[Stoaty Ferret]

I think David Burke is doing a great job within the constraints of FFP and I hope he is tied in to a decent contract with us. I wouldn't be surprised if other 'bigger' clubs are sniffing around him.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Your wasting your breath Bold, some people on hear have total tunnel vision.
If it aint Paul Barber's fault this week, then it must be David Burke's fault.

Oscar is immune at the moment but next season it will be him. Fell out with Agustein & Lita, threw away the game at Hull etc.

 

[HAILSHAM SEAGULL]

Oscar is immune at the moment but next season it will be him. Fell out with Agustein & Lita, threw away the game at Hull etc.

Oh.....I thought that Brezovan was in goal

 

[kevtherev]

Oscar is immune at the moment but next season it will be him. Fell out with Agustein & Lita, threw away the game at Hull etc.

Your right, this season is a bit of a gimme for Oscar. He seems to be down the food chain when it comes to blame.Thats fair enough after last summer, I think this season is just going to fizzle out tbh...The real test starts when this one ends... Thats of course if Garcia is still here next season....He only signed a two year contract don't forget and we all know when you get into the last year of a deal, then basicly your in the shop window.

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

Your right, this season is a bit of a gimme for Oscar. He seems to be down the food chain when it comes to blame.Thats fair enough after last summer, I think this season is just going to fizzle out tbh...The real test starts when this one ends... Thats of course if Garcia is still here next season....He only signed a two year contract don't forget and we all know when you get into the last year of a deal, then basicly your in the shop window.

Actually it was initially reported as a 2 year deal, but in the end it was 3 years.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23389106

 

[KZNSeagull]

I come back to this subject in a few months time. I doubt there will be many Burke supporters come August....We will wait and see.

Possibly, but as he was instrumental in the Wayne Bridge deal, a deal that realistically we are unlikely to equal anytime soon, some will give him the benefit of the doubt.

We clearly have a wage structure that we do not want to exceed. Deals like Obika and Rod are likely to be the way forward. Some will work, others will not, but we are not losing that much by trying them. My view that to try to loan a couple of players on PL wages is a bigger gamble at the moment, not only on their performances, but what their being at the club may do to the current squad. If we can get decent quality PL players whilst only paying them within our wage structure, fine, but loan deals where we are only paying a proportion of their wages seem to be an exception at the moment.

 

[kevtherev]

Actually it was initially reported as a 2 year deal, but in the end it was 3 years.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23389106

Ok I must have missed that....Safe to say he will be around come August then Thats good, last thing we need is another disruption, now we have all the Spanish in place, Jones being the exception.

 

[kevtherev]

Possibly, but as he was instrumental in the Wayne Bridge deal, a deal that realistically we are unlikely to equal anytime soon, some will give him the benefit of the doubt.

We clearly have a wage structure that we do not want to exceed. Deals like Obika and Rod are likely to be the way forward. Some will work, others will not, but we are not losing that much by trying them. My view that to try to loan a couple of players on PL wages is a bigger gamble at the moment, not only on their performances, but what their being at the club may do to the current squad. If we can get decent quality PL players whilst only paying them within our wage structure, fine, but loan deals where we are only paying a proportion of their wages seem to be an exception at the moment.

The closest thing we have had to a short term loan that worked was Vokes....90% of the time they are a waste of time....Season long loans are the only ones that are worth while....Short term loans will win you nothing and just disrupt what you already have.

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

I understand the idea behind the role. However, I just think that if a club is going to be really sucessful then the manager needs to be, and also wants to be, pulling the strings on player recruitment. I can't think of any of the great club managers who has had, or who has needed a director of football. Can you imagine SAF or Mourinho being given a player rather that finding the prospect them self. I know it is not them on the scouting missions but they instigate it all.

I think the word "team" is very important in what David Burke said. They will actually talk to each other. Some people on here seem to think that all the different branches of the organisation are off doing their own thing in "silo thinking" mode. Our chairman, to whom Burke, Barber and Garcia all report according to Burke's comments, is far too astute to let them happen.

And even if Mr Bloom wasn't that astute, I think all three of them are sensible enough to realise that they need to work together anyway. I would hazard a guess that they have regular "senior team Meetings", even if it is a relatively informal chat over a coffee on a Wednesday morning or something similar. I don't like the expression "touching base", but it is an important idea.

 

[KZNSeagull]

The closest thing we have had to a short term loan that worked was Vokes....90% of the time they are a waste of time....Season long loans are the only ones that are worth while....Short term loans will win you nothing and just disrupt what you already have.

I agree, actually! That's why trying a deal like Rod could be a good one, we may unearth a gem along the way and he will not be costing us much. I am of the opinion that we should save the money we have now for the summer.

 

[The Large One]

Ok I must have missed that....Safe to say he will be around come August then Thats good, last thing we need is another disruption, now we have all the Spanish in place, Jones being the exception.

And so it begins - the next round of Kev's scattergun approach to saying "I was right...".

Fire enough bullets wildly into the air, one of them has to eventually hit something.

 

[Hotchilidog]

Honestly some total drivel on this thread. David Burke has plenty of experience, and in his interview he made it clear that we leave pretty much no stone unturned in our search for players. However not every player will come here for a variety of reasons, which could be money, availability, personality, geography, opportunity etc. An awful lot of things have to come together before a deal gets done, and even when deals do get done there is no guarantee of success (Fergie and Wenger for instance have signed their fair share of duds).

Oscar Garcia is our head coach as that is what he specialises in. Oscar does his best work on the training pitch not sat behind a desk looking at the internet or making endless phone calls. I for one am delighted that we have such a 'manager' in place. He does of course specify areas of need and make the final decision on who we sign, but the laborious time consuming legwork is done by our scouting team under the direction of Burke, who has a experience in absolute spades.

Unless anyone has been sleeping at the back of the room, you should be well aware as to why we do not just stroll up to players with a suitcase full of cash, and this will obviously trim the player pool that we can choose from, but I have no problem with that.

What I am happy with is that there is a clear structure in place at the club, and everyone is free to get on with their OWN job rather than wasting time trying to do somebody else's. By getting the internal infra-structure right we lay the foundation for future success (which may come later rather than sooner, but it will come of that I am certain).

 

[kevtherev]

And so it begins - the next round of Kev's scattergun approach to saying "I was right...".

Fire enough bullets wildly into the air, one of them has to eventually hit something.

Are you a stalker.....just you seem obsessed with me. Can send you a signed photo if you want.

 

[Grombleton]

I come back to this subject in a few months time. I doubt there will be many Burke supporters come August....We will wait and see.

'Come back' in the same way you came back about Bridcutt "never playing for us again"? Or actually coming back?