Yeah I've not read it yet, but I will do, should be interesting stuff.
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Lance Armstrong ends fight against doping charges
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Yeah I've not read it yet, but I will do, should be interesting stuff.
Woodchip
It's all about the bikes
Yes, should make a good read.
Brighton Mod
Its All Too Beautiful
Woodchip Vockler
Lance first among equals, anyone thinking he was the only one is not in touch with reality. Who complained at the time, who really loses and how much money did Nike and Trek make on his back. Lane first amongst equals is being punished for the sport and the MASSIVE failings of the UCI.
Lance first among equals, anyone thinking he was the only one is not in touch with reality. Who complained at the time, who really loses and how much money did Nike and Trek make on his back. Lane first amongst equals is being punished for the sport and the MASSIVE failings of the UCI.
Please read this:
Nicole Cooke's retirement statement in full | Sport | guardian.co.uk
It will show you who loses, and how.
Indurain's Lungs
Legend of Garry Nelson
What a load of sh#t. Anyone who's read anything about it knows that anyone who approached his equal (Hamilton/Landis) were bullied and harassed by his influence, to ensure they couldn't compete. He ensured only he had access to the best doping and he was cosy with the UCI to eliminate his rivals.
He attempted to destroy many people and amassed over $100m in the process.
No - what he achieved in the past means the whole system needs a massive overhaul, starting with the UCI. The removal of his results, instead of acknowledging his existance as part of a bigger problem is a MASSIVE head-in-the-sand moment. There is loads that cycling, and sport in general can learn from the LA era. WADA needs more power. Sports governing bodies need independant testers AS WELL AS in-house testing. We need to know the hows, wheres, whens and whos of this - what's the supply chain?
He should always be seen as an incredible (in all senses!) rider, as there will be other equally-talented riders in the future who need pro-actively protecting from doping. Failing to learn from this will be the biggest failure of the whole saga.
There's pretty much always been a culture of doping in cycling (and most top level sports). He didn't invent it. However, there is ALWAYS a choice.
As Nicole Cooke says:
Nicole Cooke said:
mejonaNO12 aka riskit
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I don't think the removal of his results was an either/or situation in relation to admitting the problem. They had to do it and they did.
No they didn't. Why remove his, but not Pantani's '98 Tour/Giro win? Why not Riis's Tour? Why not Ullrich's win? Why not those of Coppi, Bartoli, Merchx?
ALL wins of riders that are later shown to be doping should be highlighted as such, not removed. And if you remove 1 rider's results, why not all the other covicted cheats' too?
Indurain's Lungs
Legend of Garry Nelson
True. The UCI is trying to repeat festina - demonise someone as an evil cheater that isn't representative of the sport, rather than accepting a widespread problem.
That's more to do with the systematic approach Lance took, and the fact he was 'never' caught.
Of those mentioned Pantani Riis and Ullrich all tainted themselves allowing the record books to speak for themselves.
I don't believe his was the only team with systematic a doping structure, and we both know the 'fact' he was never caught is untrue. I hope (but don't expect) that he gives both barrels to the UCI. Verbruggen and McQuaid have a lot of questions to answer, and no place in cycling.
Every word true.
There was a time when most had some kind of systematic a doping structure, either in house, or 'knowing' done.
But nobody came close to Lance.
I know what you mean, but no, it's not just nationality that was his downfall.
Arrogance, spite, pig headedness, intimidation ... do I need to continue, with Lancey-poohs lesser traits, that were is final demise.
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Woodchip
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