[Politics] Labour Party meltdown incoming.......

[HillBarnTillIDie]

Are you prepared to put posturing to one side and give your opinion on the subject?

**Do you personally believe that it is absolutely NOT the case that members of either or both political parties, at either national and/or local levels suppressed information for reasons political or otherwise concerning the grooming cases in Oldham and Rotherham ?**

I think sometimes it’s hard to be objective in politics when everyone on one side of the argument is offensive to you, like musk, farage, Robinson in this case.

But there are compelling statements from different sources .. not least a junior Labour politician saying he was told by a senior Labour politician not to mention ethnicity… that this was indeed covered up for political reasons and you would have to be absolutely certain in your belief to the contrary to come down against investigating what happened around some of the most horrific crimes imaginable.

Some things are more than just arguing smugly with the same people you always argue with on internet forums

Very well put.

 

[drew]

I think it was beyond absurd what she said about the attacks in cologne being like a normal Saturday night in Birmingham- completely out of character and I simply could not believe that she said it given her history as you rightly point out of championing the protection of women. I honestly did not believe that it was Jess Phillips who made that comment… it would have been crass from anyone to be honest.

You are obviously aware of her incredible record in this field .. what did you think when she made those comments?


All I could come up with then, and even now is that she was leaned on to downplay the incident- just my opinion but how else can you explain it ?

And here she is again “any inquiry should be council led” she is clearly distancing herself from this case and I can’t understand why, especially since the original enquiry was under a Conservative government

She is far too savvy a politician not to realise that amongst all the accusations that the grooming gangs we know about are just the tip of the iceberg and that there have been cover ups - her statements make it look like she is dismissing that… she knows what it looks like and on these subjects she is normally ferocious. I don’t understand why she isn’t now.

I'm not saying what she said was appropriate but I don't see how you see that is relevant to the current clamour for another public enquiry when the recommendations from the previous 7 year inquiry have been put in place. Her record speaks for itself but you seem to have some suspicion she has something to hide! Remember that she is member of the government that operate with collective responsibility so if the cabinet have agreed that there should be no further enquiry then they all have to support that position or resign.

Personally, I don't think there should be another inquiry. Implement the recommendations from the Alexis Jay report. In addition, set up a police investigation into misconduct in public office to find out who or if anyone in the institutions covered up or failed to act appropriately. Another inquiry will just delay what is needed to protect children now.

 

[jcdenton08]

Personally, I don't think there should be another inquiry. Implement the recommendations from the Alexis Jay report. In addition, set up a police investigation into misconduct in public office to find out who or if anyone in the institutions covered up or failed to act appropriately. Another inquiry will just delay what is needed to protect children now.

The issue for those of us with concerns, is that the Jay report came out years ago, and absolutely nothing has been implemented. The talk of “just implement Prof. Jay’s recommendations” is only happening now because of the far right’s smear campaign forcing Labour to publicly take a position.

There is zero evidence anything is proactively being done for the current victims, or to prevent new ones, based on the Tories actively benching the recommendations in the report, and Labour having done nothing so far about this in government - and it wasn’t an issue in their campaign either.

They’re only publicly remembering it now because of the pressure they’ve been put under from hypocrites who said nothing when the Tories had much longer to act (and it was them who commissioned the report!).

Nobody comes off well from this.

 

[drew]

Are you prepared to put posturing to one side and give your opinion on the subject?

**Do you personally believe that it is absolutely NOT the case that members of either or both political parties, at either national and/or local levels suppressed information for reasons political or otherwise concerning the grooming cases in Oldham and Rotherham ?**

I think sometimes it’s hard to be objective in politics when everyone on one side of the argument is offensive to you, like musk, farage, Robinson in this case.

But there are compelling statements from different sources .. not least a junior Labour politician saying he was told by a senior Labour politician not to mention ethnicity… that this was indeed covered up for political reasons and you would have to be absolutely certain in your belief to the contrary to come down against investigating what happened around some of the most horrific crimes imaginable.

Some things are more than just arguing smugly with the same people you always argue with on internet forums

Just out of interest, the junior labour politician you refer to, is that Simon Danczuk?

 

[dsr-burnley]

The next Chancellor could be Ed Milliband

Seeing as he has the most high-spending policy in government, I can't see him becoming poacher-turned-gamekeeper and having to try and cut spending!

 

[Rdodge30]

set up a police investigation into misconduct in public office to find out who or if anyone in the institutions covered up or failed to act appropriately.

You’re right, I think I’m confusing investigation with enquiry. But Jess Phillips isn’t calling for that either.

I understand collective responsibility, I’m just really surprised at her, that she is not leading the charge and championing the cause.

Phillip Marshall in Friday’s Times:

Marshall leads Operation Stovewood, the National Crime Agency (NCA) inquiry into grooming gang activity in the South Yorkshire town from 1997 to 2013. His officers have identified 324 men suspected of committing 1,142 crimes against 1,150 victims. “Of those crimes, 827 relate to the offence of rape — that is a startling figure,” says Marshall.

That is not including the last 11 years and he goes on to say that it would be ‘naive’ to think grooming gangs are not still operating


Meanwhile …

Council areas where British-Pakistani men raped young white girls have endorsed an Islamophobia definition that views the phrase “Asian grooming gangs” as racist.

The Labour Party has formally adopted the definition and the report, which was produced by the all-party parliamentary group (APPG) for British Muslims, co-chaired by Wes Streeting, the health secretary.

 

[drew]

The issue for those of us with concerns, is that the Jay report came out years ago, and absolutely nothing has been implemented. The talk of “just implement Prof. Jay’s recommendations” is only happening now because of the far right’s smear campaign forcing Labour to publicly take a position.

There is zero evidence anything is proactively being done for the current victims, or to prevent new ones, based on the Tories actively benching the recommendations in the report, and Labour having done nothing so far about this in government - and it wasn’t an issue in their campaign either.

They’re only publicly remembering it now because of the pressure they’ve been put under from hypocrites who said nothing when the Tories had much longer to act (and it was them who commissioned the report!).

Nobody comes off well from this.

Your opening line seems to suggest that those not in favour of another inquiry have no concerns!! The tory amendment for an inquiry also wanted to put on hold any changes from the Jay report (which they could have acted on but didn't) for as long as the next inquiry took. That could be another 7 years before any action is actually taken to protect children currently suffering and at risk. The Tories had far longer to enact the recommendations but it seems, just like Leveson, they were happy to brush it under the carpet. I agree that Labour could have acted sooner but to be fair, they have only been in office 6 months!

 

[crookie]

Me(pub owner), wife (housing manager, local council) were very happy with the Labour election win. The budget with the NI increases will personally cost me thousands annually, and with the consolidation of local Government, my wife could well be unemployed. We are atm fairly comfortably off, but far from wealthy. Totally disillusioned, and the doom talk pre budget hasn't helped economic growth either. Bit of a shitshow. Only had a car crash to improve on, but not great so far, 3/10

 

[Rdodge30]

Seeing as he has the most high-spending policy in government, I can't see him becoming poacher-turned-gamekeeper and having to try and cut spending!

I don’t think he’d be good at it - I think if Reeves goes early then they will need a heavyweight to replace her, not a junior treasury minister. The only heavyweight they have is Yvette Cooper and at a stretch Milliband.. quite a stretch I know! To be honest I think he wants the PM’s job ( he’s anywhere from 50/1 to 100/1 with bookies to succeed Starmer) when Starmer was under the cosh immediately after the WFA announcement.. Milliband the next day briefed the press on 4 separate policy issues.. only 1 from his own portfolio. He wants it and if he still has a power base within the parliamentary party then Starmer may not be able to prevent him becoming Chancellor because if Reeves goes early then Starmer himself will be weakened.

 

[crookie]

I don’t think he’d be good at it - I think if Reeves goes early then they will need a heavyweight to replace not a junior treasury minister. The only heavyweight they have is Yvette Cooper and at a stretch Milliband.. quite a stretch I know! To be honest I think he wants the PM’s job ( he’s anywhere from 50/1 to 100/1 with bookies to succeed Starmer) when Starmer was under the cosh immediately after the WFA announcement.. Milliband the next day briefed the press on 4 separate policy issues.. only 1 from his own portfolio. He wants it and if he still has a power base within the parliamentary party then Starmer may not be able to prevent him becoming Chancellor as if Reeves goes he himself will be weakened

Chancellors job looks like a poisoned chalice. Totally alienated the business community whilst the policy was supposed to be 'laser focused' on growth. You can't preach that whilst making it much more expensive to employ people

 

[drew]

You’re right, I think I’m confusing investigation with enquiry. But Jess Phillips isn’t calling for that either.

I understand collective responsibility, I’m just really surprised at her, that she is not leading the charge and championing the cause.

Phillip Marshall in Friday’s Times:

Marshall leads Operation Stovewood, the National Crime Agency (NCA) inquiry into grooming gang activity in the South Yorkshire town from 1997 to 2013. His officers have identified 324 men suspected of committing 1,142 crimes against 1,150 victims. “Of those crimes, 827 relate to the offence of rape — that is a startling figure,” says Marshall.

That is not including the last 11 years and he goes on to say that it would be ‘naive’ to think grooming gangs are not still operating


Meanwhile …

Council areas where British-Pakistani men raped young white girls have endorsed an Islamophobia definition that views the phrase “Asian grooming gangs” as racist.

The Labour Party has formally adopted the definition and the report, which was produced by the all-party parliamentary group (APPG) for British Muslims, co-chaired by Wes Streeting, the health secretary.

Obviously it would be naive to think they are not still operating especially as nothing was put in place to tackle the issue.

With regard to the definitions you refer to, I would suggest the reason that is phrased like that is because certain elements of the policital spectrum want to use the issue as a racist attack, ie it is rife in Pakistani communities when the evidence available suggest the perpetrators are far more likely to be white. We all can recall Rochdale or Oldham etc but not many will raise Camborne as an example. We'll have to wait and see how many of the recommendations do get implemented.

 

[LamieRobertson]

The issue for those of us with concerns, is that the Jay report came out years ago, and absolutely nothing has been implemented. The talk of “just implement Prof. Jay’s recommendations” is only happening now because of the far right’s smear campaign forcing Labour to publicly take a position.

There is zero evidence anything is proactively being done for the current victims, or to prevent new ones, based on the Tories actively benching the recommendations in the report, and Labour having done nothing so far about this in government - and it wasn’t an issue in their campaign either.

They’re only publicly remembering it now because of the pressure they’ve been put under from hypocrites who said nothing when the Tories had much longer to act (and it was them who commissioned the report!).

Nobody comes off well from this.

Ain’t that just so