[Politics] Labour Party meltdown incoming.......

[Chicken Run]

It's not that difficult.

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I believe Starmer is supposed to be some kind of lawyer.

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I think that’s the point Chip was making

 

[Chicken Run]

This excuse from David Lammy is just farcical.

"He added: "The truth is that successive prime ministers, unless you’re a billionaire like the last one, do rely on political donations so they can look their best both in the hope of representing the country, if you’re in the opposition, or as prime minister." "

Keir Starmer may have broken rules over donor's gifts to wife

The prime minister reportedly failed to declare clothes bought for his wife by a major Labour donor.

www.bbc.co.uk

Sunak isn’t a billionaire, he can’t even get that right

 

[dsr-burnley]

This excuse from David Lammy is just farcical.

"He added: "The truth is that successive prime ministers, unless you’re a billionaire like the last one, do rely on political donations so they can look their best both in the hope of representing the country, if you’re in the opposition, or as prime minister." "

Keir Starmer may have broken rules over donor's gifts to wife

The prime minister reportedly failed to declare clothes bought for his wife by a major Labour donor.

www.bbc.co.uk

Presumably Lammy is suggesting that Starmer wears his wife's clothes?

 

[Bry Nylon]

Presumably Lammy is suggesting that Starmer wears his wife's clothes?

He doesn’t have much choice, now that Sue Gray is wearing his trousers.

 

[jcdenton08]

This excuse from David Lammy is just farcical.

"He added: "The truth is that successive prime ministers, unless you’re a billionaire like the last one, do rely on political donations so they can look their best both in the hope of representing the country, if you’re in the opposition, or as prime minister." "

Keir Starmer may have broken rules over donor's gifts to wife

The prime minister reportedly failed to declare clothes bought for his wife by a major Labour donor.

www.bbc.co.uk

Sometimes it’s better to say nothing at all.

 

[Durlston]

Big girl's blouse.

 

[seagullsovergrimsby]

Sunak isn’t a billionaire, he can’t even get that right

Supposedly down to his last £600M

 

[Chicken Run]

TBF to the PM at least he’s thinking about new ideas to deter small boat crossings…..

From the BBC

Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer has said he is “interested” in learning about Italy’s scheme to send migrants rescued at sea to Albania to process their asylum claims, ahead of his first official visit to Rome.

Apparently the Italian scheme has seen the number of boat crossings fall since they introduced the Albanian scheme

 

[Hugo Rune]

TBF to the PM at least he’s thinking about new ideas to deter small boat crossings…..

From the BBC

Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer has said he is “interested” in learning about Italy’s scheme to send migrants rescued at sea to Albania to process their asylum claims, ahead of his first official visit to Rome.

Apparently the Italian scheme has seen the number of boat crossings fall since they introduced the Albanian scheme

Looks like an interesting scheme. Italian ships pick up asylum boats in the med and take them directly to Albania. The Italian asylum facilities in Albania are staffed by Italian personnel and operate under Italian jurisdiction. Nothing like that batshit Rwanda plan that Cleverly is still promoting.

Re-opening legal asylum routes could really help. Re-opening dialogue with with the EU after the bridges were burned under the last administration is key. I’m confident SKS can get negotiations with our European partners off the ground and hopefully, get these legal UK asylum processing centres set-up across Europe. This could possibly save many lives as desperate asylum seekers risk everything to cross the channel.

 

[dsr-burnley]

Looks like an interesting scheme. Italian ships pick up asylum boats in the med and take them directly to Albania. The Italian asylum facilities in Albania are staffed by Italian personnel and operate under Italian jurisdiction. Nothing like that batshit Rwanda plan that Cleverly is still promoting.

Re-opening legal asylum routes could really help. Re-opening dialogue with with the EU after the bridges were burned under the last administration is key. I’m confident SKS can get negotiations with our European partners off the ground and hopefully, get these legal UK asylum processing centres set-up across Europe. This could possibly save many lives as desperate asylum seekers risk everything to cross the channel.

I don't see how there is a lack of legal asylum routes, with about 700,000 legal immigrants in each of the last two years.

The reason these asylum seekers are coming indirectly from long distances but more directly from France, is because as individuals they believe they would not be allowed in by other means. The only thing that would stop them from coming the Channel route would be if they were welcome by another route. If they were rejected at legal processing centres they would still cross the Channel.

 

[Bozza]

He doesn’t have much choice, now that Sue Gray is wearing his trousers.

It's all harmony and unity....

Starmer reveals that some of the stories are true: “I’m not going to talk behind her back and I’m not going to talk about individual members of staff, whether it’s Sue Gray or any other member of staff. All I can say about the stories is most of them are wildly wrong.”​

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A senior government source: “Sue is working with teams throughout civil service and acts with nothing but professionalism”.​

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Another within government said of Gray’s leadership: “However bad you think it is, it’s worse.”​

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Keir Starmer defends Sue Gray after reports of No 10 rifts

The prime minister's chief of staff has been the subject of numerous media reports since Labour entered government.

www.bbc.co.uk

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[Hugo Rune]

I don't see how there is a lack of legal asylum routes, with about 700,000 legal immigrants in each of the last two years.

The reason these asylum seekers are coming indirectly from long distances but more directly from France, is because as individuals they believe they would not be allowed in by other means. The only thing that would stop them from coming the Channel route would be if they were welcome by another route. If they were rejected at legal processing centres they would still cross the Channel.

You seemed to be terribly confused between asylum and legal immigration. Given your posting history, that really is no surprise. Right wing populism seeks to conflate the two.

Perhaps educate yourself here or post on a Burnley forum instead where the need to deciphor the difference between an asylum seeker and someone seeking legal immigration is clearly not needed:

The truth about safe and legal routes

We are Amnesty International UK. We are ordinary people from across the world standing up for humanity and human rights.

www.amnesty.org.uk

 

[Weststander]

It's all harmony and unity....

Starmer reveals that some of the stories are true: “I’m not going to talk behind her back and I’m not going to talk about individual members of staff, whether it’s Sue Gray or any other member of staff. All I can say about the stories is most of them are wildly wrong.”​

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A senior government source: “Sue is working with teams throughout civil service and acts with nothing but professionalism”.​

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Another within government said of Gray’s leadership: “However bad you think it is, it’s worse.”​

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Keir Starmer defends Sue Gray after reports of No 10 rifts

The prime minister's chief of staff has been the subject of numerous media reports since Labour entered government.

www.bbc.co.uk

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“Most” leaves more questions than answers. Starmer more than ever needs a ultra press savvy Bernard Ingham / Alastair Campbell type media expect.

 

[Bozza]

You seemed to be terribly confused between asylum and legal immigration. Given your posting history, that really is no surprise. Right wing populism seeks to conflate the two.

Perhaps educate yourself here or post on a Burnley forum instead where the need to deciphor the difference between an asylum seeker and someone seeking legal immigration is clearly not needed:

The truth about safe and legal routes

We are Amnesty International UK. We are ordinary people from across the world standing up for humanity and human rights.

www.amnesty.org.uk

You've read what Amnesty International (and others like Human Rights Watch) have had to say about Italy's Albania scheme, right?

You described it as "interesting". They agree with that, but not in a good way.

 

[Weststander]

You've read what Amnesty International (and others like Human Rights Watch) have had to say about Italy's Albania scheme, right?

You described it as "interesting". They agree with that, but not in a good way.

Scathing in radio interviews today. They certainly don’t like Meloni’s ideas.

 

[Hugo Rune]

You've read what Amnesty International (and others like Human Rights Watch) have had to say about Italy's Albania scheme, right?

You described it as "interesting". They agree with that, but not in a good way.

Indeed.

However, my post was pointing to a source that details the difference between an asylum seeker and a legal immigrant. The clear point is that many asylum seekers don’t have the agency to go through the limited routes that are available to enter this country.

Italy has a history of some less than satisfactory asylum policies such as their partnership with Libya and Amnesty International is right to view their plans with suspicion. However the UK is a different country to Italy with very different circumstances. Putting in place a legal asylum routes simply has to be looked at.

 

[Bry Nylon]

It's all harmony and unity....

Starmer reveals that some of the stories are true: “I’m not going to talk behind her back and I’m not going to talk about individual members of staff, whether it’s Sue Gray or any other member of staff. All I can say about the stories is most of them are wildly wrong.”​

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A senior government source: “Sue is working with teams throughout civil service and acts with nothing but professionalism”.​

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Another within government said of Gray’s leadership: “However bad you think it is, it’s worse.”​

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Keir Starmer defends Sue Gray after reports of No 10 rifts

The prime minister's chief of staff has been the subject of numerous media reports since Labour entered government.

www.bbc.co.uk

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Ha! Good to see the BBC finally break this story tonight.

As with most things, NSC was weeks ahead in revealing the inside info concerning the rifts and growing exasperation amongst the Cabinet regarding Sue Gray. Even if some on here refused to believe it.

I wonder what interesting texts and WhatsApp messages will be flying around Westminster this week, now the Beeb has flushed this out into the open…?

 

[nevergoagain]

Indeed.

However, my post was pointing to a source that details the difference between an asylum seeker and a legal immigrant. The clear point is that many asylum seekers don’t have the agency to go through the limited routes that are available to enter this country.

Italy has a history of some less than satisfactory asylum policies such as their partnership with Libya and Amnesty International is right to view their plans with suspicion. However the UK is a different country to Italy with very different circumstances. Putting in place a legal asylum routes simply has to be looked at.

But they have thousands of pounds to pay smugglers ? and not forgetting that they are already safely in France and the desire to still risk the seas to come to the UK really means they are economic/social migrants rather than asylum seekers.

 

[BLOCK F]

“Most” leaves more questions than answers. Starmer more than ever needs a ultra press savvy Bernard Ingham / Alastair Campbell type media expect.

He does indeed, but it far more interesting and fun to hear the ‘unvarnished’ version.

 

[Mellor 3 Ward 4]

I don't suppose that anyone has actually taken the time to read the story linked. This has come to light because Starmer declared these items last Tuesday as a result of seeking advice from the authorities, and the Sunday Times have got round to reporting this today.

A Number 10 spokesperson told Sky News it was an oversight that had been corrected after it "sought advice from the authorities on coming to office". They added: "We believed we'd been compliant, however, following further interrogation this month, we've declared further items."

But don't let facts get in the way of the pile on from the usual suspects. Did you know he had a curry and a pint too

I've read the story.

Yes, he was late in declaring - certainly a mistake, but as you say he was seeking advise, I get that.

That's not the story here.

Why is he taking these donations? Why is another man paying for his wife's clothes? (And his glasses!) - it's a terrible look - the money coming from a huge donor to the LP who is then given access to Downing Street.

I'd actually pay MPs (and certainly the PM) a LOT more money - and then have ZERO gifts/donations allowed.

The story here is that KS told us we were entering a new era of open and honest politics, with a much higer level of integrity, and within two months he's failed.

Coming on top of the WFA fiasco, he's having a (self-inflicted) tough fortnight.