[Politics] Labour Party meltdown incoming.......

[A1X]

Never ceases to amaze me how bitter the far left Labour supporters are about Labour’s resurrection under Starmer. It feels like some would genuinely rather lose than have a centre-right Labour government. I’m sorry, that’s just mental.

The far left consistently loses - heavily, even against unpopular Tory governments - because the British people collectively don’t want far left politics. Starmer instead of Corbyn would’ve walked to victory, just as he’s going to in July.

They always prioritise purity over power. They’re one of the greatest electoral assets the Tory party have.

 

[The Clamp]

Labour is the only sensible party to lead the UK at the moment.

I’ll do whatever it takes to get the Tory’s out.

Labour lost my respect though when they hired Natalie Elphicke.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Never ceases to amaze me how bitter the far left Labour supporters are about Labour’s resurrection under Starmer. It feels like some would genuinely rather lose than have a centre-right Labour government. I’m sorry, that’s just mental.

The far left consistently loses - heavily, even against unpopular Tory governments - because the British people collectively don’t want far left politics. Starmer instead of Corbyn would’ve walked to victory, just as he’s going to in July.

It’s funny (peculiar) because the Green Party is further left than Labour, so the ‘purists’ do have somewhere to go.

 

[jcdenton08]

It’s funny (peculiar) because the Green Party is further left than Labour, so the ‘purists’ do have somewhere to go.

Absolutely, and I’ll never judge anyone for voting the way their heart tells them to (except BNP or outright racist groups I suppose). I just don’t understand why Labour *supporters* are providing the biggest opposition to their sweeping a landslide in the election.

There seems to be little understanding of their world and opinions outside of the “we’re right, you’re wrong” hard left bubble. Compromise. The art of the possible.

Policy is never enacted in opposition. Win, get a huge majority, THEN enact policy.

 

[The Clamp]

I think after 14 years of corrupt Tory leadership, people have forgotten how a party is supposed to behave.

You don’t just start shouting three word slogans and ignore all the rules.

Patience. Thought. Consideration.

This is what I want to see in a leadership party.

Not Boris Johnson careening down a zip wire or Liz Truss yelling about cheese.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Absolutely, and I’ll never judge anyone for voting the way their heart tells them to (except BNP or outright racist groups I suppose). I just don’t understand why Labour *supporters* are providing the biggest opposition to their sweeping a landslide in the election.

There seems to be little understanding of their world and opinions outside of the “we’re right, you’re wrong” hard left bubble. Compromise. The art of the possible.

Policy is never enacted in opposition. Win, get a huge majority, THEN enact policy.

I don’t think large majorities are a good thing. I agree compromise is good, and my position on PR still stands. Only Britain and Belarus have FPTP.
Moderation in everything.

 

[armchairclubber]

There is no danger of that happening unless Labour complete implode.

But its an view shared felt by a large number of the country, getting rid of the Tories is good, however if an incoming government is elected on the basis of they are just not the Tories, it's not a good thing for the country ,the incoming party won't have much goodwill when/if things go a bit wrong.

It's also not the peoples fault to be uninspired by its options, we have been let down.

Wouldn't it be nice to have two good options?

Agree. I'd add that I think there will be some inspiring selective independent candidates (or perhaps others) that can be considered without any danger of the Tories retaining power.

I don't get the agenda from some, that comes across to me at least, as Labour needing to win every seat regardless of candidate.

 

[aolstudios]

Indeed.

I heard a great piece from James O’Brien about Starmer and Labour. He was challenged by some very hardened remainers on why Labour were not gunning for a return to the EU and being more radical with their policies. His response was that there was only one mission, to get the worst government (potentially ever) out of office and to get Labour elected as the Government. If Labour are not 100% committed to that mission, it could fail.

I note in some of the posts above that the sort of folk who need ‘inspiration’ are those who fell for Johnson, hook, line and sinker. Look where that got us. I’m sick of all this ‘he needs a personality’ shit. I just want adults with good judgement running my country, not billionaire backed rats gaslighting the most cerebrally challenged in order to make themselves and their friends/family a lot richer (Mogg’s investment firm has over £100m in shares of infosys).

If we’re all honest, there is simply no money to pay for inspiring policies too.

It’s going to take a long time to turn this country around after what the Tories have but I’m sure it will happen. I’m hopeful too that the poisonous media narrative dictated from billionaires via the right wing media will disappear. We’ve been fed nothing but bullshit whilst they’ve made their money, no real focus on the scandal of our NHS, schools, roads and rivers turning to shit. Instead, we get ‘what about immigrants’ or ‘what about hamas’ or ‘what about trans people’. This is why the Tories MUST be made to be the third party or worse.

Forget Labour tribalism. Put it on your back burner to turn the heat up on when they get in power. For now, it’s all about scrubbing the Tory scum out of our politics.

This ^
Every word

 

[jcdenton08]

I don’t think large majorities are a good thing. I agree compromise is good, and my position on PR still stands. Only Britain and Belarus have FPTP.
Moderation in everything.

On the other hand, the largest true democracies in the world use FPTP, the US, India, Canada…

I’d like to see electoral reform, but your post pretty much sums up my feelings towards the hard left. A lack of pragmatism.

These ARE the rules. Play the game. Win. THEN try and enact change. Playing by one’s own set of oh so pure and ethical rules - and losing again and again - isn’t exactly likely to bring about the change you want to see.

Pragmatism. Compromise. Play the same game as everyone else, then when in power, try and change things.

 

[sparkie]

The good thing about Labour being guaranteed to win this election is that it gives everyone a free hit to vote for their own beliefs and not tactically.

The freedom to align one's ballot paper with one's beliefs is most welcome.

 

[aolstudios]

It’s funny (peculiar) because the Green Party is further left than Labour, so the ‘purists’ do have somewhere to go.

A lot of the hardcore nutters have & the Greens have welcomed them with open arms. I await their future implosion with interest

 

[The Lemming Stomper]

Well, Labour have lost my vote by getting rid of Russell-Moyle...

I wrote to him during the pandemic as I fell 'between the cracks' getting no furlough, self employment help or Universal credit...

He/his team wrote back offering a solution which worked, unlike any other advice I sought which was useless or ignored...I will forever be grateful to him...

Hardly a 'purist' but the Greens have just gained a vote

 

[Mellor 3 Ward 4]

Migrants work in the NHS.
Fancy taking notice of Dazza!

Sure they do, and we need (controlled )immigration.

But NETT inward migration of 800,000 people a year is not (IMO) sustainable.

 

[jcdenton08]

Sure they do, and we need (controlled )immigration.

But NETT inward migration of 800,000 people a year is not (IMO) sustainable.

Immigration is indeed out of control (thanks Tories) - every public service is breaking under the strain, but obviously most of all the NHS. Which is woefully underfunded and mismanaged (thanks again Tories)

 

[ROSM]

The Starmtroopers are getting everyone out of their way. The treatment of Faiza Shaheen is particularly reprehensible. I ‘m no longer a fan of Lloyd Moyle but his treatment also factional BS. What an awful party. Still at least Luke Akehurst may get a seat. Utter joke.

Faiza Shaheen by her own admission on newsnight last night , posted some ill thought out comments that that are in her words 'regrettable'.

For some people, using social media is like giving zebedee from magic roundabout a machine gun.

As a member of the Brighton kemptown and peacehaven Labour Party, clearly everybody is disappointed for Lloyd. He has been an effective constituency MP

The complaint was only received last week I understand and is serious. No party should have a candidate under investigation standing. It does look like it has been timed for maximum damage and let's not forget the tories have made an industry out of making vexatious complaints about opponents. I hope he is cleared and I note his statement doesn't contain any criticism of the party or leadership (far from it)

As for Diane Abbot. This is now turning into a self fulfilling prophecy. Nobody has said to her she is barred. The leader has said she isn't barred. Her behaviour and reaction now makes it nigh on impossible she can stand as a labour candidate so it ends up as predicted by her but not for the reasons. Having seen her at the rally last night her 'speech' lacked details and was playing to the gallery.

 

[Commander]

Never ceases to amaze me how bitter the far left Labour supporters are about Labour’s resurrection under Starmer. It feels like some would genuinely rather lose than have a centre-right Labour government. I’m sorry, that’s just mental.

The far left consistently loses - heavily, even against unpopular Tory governments - because the British people collectively don’t want far left politics. Starmer instead of Corbyn would’ve walked to victory, just as he’s going to in July.

Yep. Fact is that their views are very different to the vast majority of the population's. They want the whole of the population to think exactly like them, but they never ever will. I cannot fathom the point of being in politics if you know you have literally zero chance of ever getting into power and actually being able to make change happen, and can only bitch and moan from the sidelines. I guess that is some people's skillset.

 

[borat]

The Starmtroopers are getting everyone out of their way. The treatment of Faiza Shaheen is particularly reprehensible. I ‘m no longer a fan of Lloyd Moyle but his treatment also factional BS. What an awful party. Still at least Luke Akehurst may get a seat. Utter joke.

This Luke Akehurst.




Is too much to ask to have MPs that represent our (the UK people's) interests and not a hard right genocidal state.

 

[dejavuatbtn]

I'm not a Diane Abbott fan ... or even agreer BUT I do find it rather annoying she's been labelled as antisemitic in most reports yet she also 'offended' the Irish and travellers. Just getting a bit bored of everything heading towards the antisemitic slant nowadays.

She has an air of arrogance about her that I find quite disturbing. It would be a shame if her legacy was to try and bring the whole thing down.

 

[deletebeepbeepbeep]

Night of the long knives for Labour.

 

[Hugo Rune]

Faiza Shaheen by her own admission on newsnight last night , posted some ill thought out comments that that are in her words 'regrettable'.

For some people, using social media is like giving zebedee from magic roundabout a machine gun.

As a member of the Brighton kemptown and peacehaven Labour Party, clearly everybody is disappointed for Lloyd. He has been an effective constituency MP

The complaint was only received last week I understand and is serious. No party should have a candidate under investigation standing. It does look like it has been timed for maximum damage and let's not forget the tories have made an industry out of making vexatious complaints about opponents. I hope he is cleared and I note his statement doesn't contain any criticism of the party or leadership (far from it)

As for Diane Abbot. This is now turning into a self fulfilling prophecy. Nobody has said to her she is barred. The leader has said she isn't barred. Her behaviour and reaction now makes it nigh on impossible she can stand as a labour candidate so it ends up as predicted by her but not for the reasons. Having seen her at the rally last night her 'speech' lacked details and was playing to the gallery.

Good post.

I note that Faiza Shaheen was seemingly very impressive and popular and was likely to win her seat.

There is no way Corbyn would have allowed this to happen to her over a liked tweet (having been guilty of that himself) but in the same way he wasn’t electable and was responsible for allowing joke human being Johnson to become PM (by putting himself forward as a leader when he had very few leadership skills)

A zero tolerance on antisemitism is one of the key pillars of Labour’s election campaign as it should be. That means, if you put your foot over the line, even if it’s by a millimetre, you are out. End of.