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A1X

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To drag this back to the subject matter at hand, I cannot see Labour being in a position to rejoin the EU any time soon, however I can see it being a Lib Dem / Green cause.

What I would not be surprised to see is Labour pivot to an EEA / EFTA type arrangement in place of the rather shoddy deal in place now, which they will sell on the basis of "saving the Good Friday Agreement" and "fixing a disastrous Tory deal". The next election is in 2024, so there's still plenty of time for scales to fall from eyes, and at the rate they're going right now it'll be a much easier sell. This also punts the Tory argument away from the more glib "Brexit got done" stuff into them having to then take the nuanced argument about how they don't believe EEA is "Brexit", which is not only bollocks but also the sort of thing (as has been proven over and over again in the last 5 years) the kind of detail people aren't interested in.

Northern Ireland was always going to be the first problem to manifest, and is now doing so. Tory attempts to rewrite their own "deal" won't play out as well as I think they think it will with the public (especially one which is already starting to mistrust them on the pandemic as recent polling indicates), but it won't be the last. Food chains are likely to be next, and they may well fall as early as this winter. Then next summer all those people who finally get to go to Spain or Italy for their holidays are in for a rather nasty shock at the airport. Labour being in a position to say "we have an alternative which makes these problems go away but we're not reversing Brexit" could be a fairly powerful message by as early as the end of 2022.

Brexit has to be seen to be failing before they can do this, but at the current rate of progress it won't be long. Even the Government wanting to renegotiate the deal it signed is an indication of Brexit failing already, and we're only 7 months in.
 
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Baldseagull

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'The move to end requirements for VI-1 import certificates, which ministers said would save British consumers about £130m a year, was welcomed by the sector.
The red tape was an EU requirement dating back to the 1970s, when it was introduced to protect European wine-producing regions, such as Chablis or Burgundy, from poor-quality new world imitations.'

Financial Times

"Wine-lovers are set to save about £130m per year as the Government uses its new Brexit freedoms to chop EU red tape on imports.

Each bottle could become 13p cheaper, according to the industry, thanks to the abolition of the VI-1 forms - a bureaucratic exercise which includes lab tests to verify the acidity of the wine, something which is not done for other drinks such as beer or spirits."

The Telegraph

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Baldseagull

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*sigh* The VI-1 form is carry over red tape from EU membership, it applied to non EU produced wine. We were intending to apply it to EU produced wines but instead have decided not to do so and abolish it for non EU wine ... do you understand now?

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WATFORD zero

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Do you understand what you have written?

Probably not :dunce:

I did wonder how the Government were planning to introduce a tax on EU wines specifically, when they are still incapable of introducing any of the controls, tariffs and taxes that were supposedly going to be introduced across all imports when we left the EU ? But don't let facts get in the way of a good slogan or headline :facepalm:

'Taking Back Control' :lolol:
 
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JC Footy Genius

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Come on, own up. Who triggered the "morons assemble' signal? [emoji1]

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To drag this back to the subject matter at hand, I cannot see Labour being in a position to rejoin the EU any time soon, however I can see it being a Lib Dem / Green cause.

What I would not be surprised to see is Labour pivot to an EEA / EFTA type arrangement in place of the rather shoddy deal in place now, which they will sell on the basis of "saving the Good Friday Agreement" and "fixing a disastrous Tory deal". The next election is in 2024, so there's still plenty of time for scales to fall from eyes, and at the rate they're going right now it'll be a much easier sell. This also punts the Tory argument away from the more glib "Brexit got done" stuff into them having to then take the nuanced argument about how they don't believe EEA is "Brexit", which is not only bollocks but also the sort of thing (as has been proven over and over again in the last 5 years) the kind of detail people aren't interested in.

Northern Ireland was always going to be the first problem to manifest, and is now doing so. Tory attempts to rewrite their own "deal" won't play out as well as I think they think it will with the public (especially one which is already starting to mistrust them on the pandemic as recent polling indicates), but it won't be the last. Food chains are likely to be next, and they may well fall as early as this winter. Then next summer all those people who finally get to go to Spain or Italy for their holidays are in for a rather nasty shock at the airport. Labour being in a position to say "we have an alternative which makes these problems go away but we're not reversing Brexit" could be a fairly powerful message by as early as the end of 2022.

Brexit has to be seen to be failing before they can do this, but at the current rate of progress it won't be long. Even the Government wanting to renegotiate the deal it signed is an indication of Brexit failing already, and we're only 7 months in.
Even Vince cable told Nige he'd accepted the referendum result and we weren't rejoining , keep up the good work though
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Baker lite

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Come on, own up. Who triggered the "morons assemble' signal? [emoji1]

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It’s to easy, I think the fact that we live in the most tolerant and diverse nation on the planet, coupled with the fact the UK economy is booming is enough to trigger the nation loathing patter cakes [emoji1787][emoji1787]
 








Baker lite

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Do you have any evidence to back this up, or is it just an opinion?

I live in UK, what more proof do you require, we are THE most tolerant and diverse nation on the planet, certainly worth celebrating in my opinion, be happy with this fact.
( I assume I’ll be getting an infraction soon for living in the most tolerant and diverse nation on the planet?)
 




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Raleigh Chopper

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It’s to easy, I think the fact that we live in the most tolerant and diverse nation on the planet, coupled with the fact the UK economy is booming is enough to trigger the nation loathing patter cakes [emoji1787][emoji1787]

But the last thing you are is tolerant, most of your attempts, and your 4 or so mates, at trying to be smart prove it.
Still, always fun to see the thoughts of the insects from the bottom of the pond.
 








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Also I believe Baker Lite et al don't really understand what diversity is. Diversity is when immigrants bring their own identity and culture to the country. Diversity is when these cultures add to ours and are not abandoned to be replaced by ours. What Baker Lite and that lot want is total assimilation. Complete adherence to what they determine is the British way of life. That's not diversity.
 


birthofanorange

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Also I believe Baker Lite et al don't really understand what diversity is. Diversity is when immigrants bring their own identity and culture to the country. Diversity is when these cultures add to ours and are not abandoned to be replaced by ours. What Baker Lite and that lot want is total assimilation. Complete adherence to what they determine is the British way of life. That's not diversity.

Spot on.
 






Baker lite

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I work in an industry where evidence is required that's all. A random person on the internet saying something is not proof.

I work for one of the most diverse employers in the country in the most diverse,tolerant and welcoming country on the planet. I suppose the pearl clutching silly billys can’t stand it. I don’t see the colour of someone’s skin,their religion,their sexuality, I just see friends and colleagues.
Be proud of our country...don’t tut tut.


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The Clamp

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I work for one of the most diverse employers in the country in the most diverse,tolerant and welcoming country on the planet. I suppose the pearl clutching silly billys can’t stand it. I don’t see the colour of someone’s skin,their religion,their sexuality, I just see friends and colleagues.
Be proud of our country...don’t tut tut.


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You don’t see that just makes the way you carry on here even more shameful?
 


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