[Politics] Labour manifesto 2024

[deletebeepbeepbeep]

40000 appointments is 1 extra a day per surgery around the country.

6600 teachers is 1 extra per 4 schools which are in a chronic shortage.

Pathetic.

 

[amexer]

Certainly only election in my life time that a party could even say nothing and get elected. Like all elections only parties that can be honest about what is needed at present time is the ones that have no hope of getting elected.
If Labour can have a couple of years without covid brexit and end of wars I have every hope

 

[lawros left foot]

Personally, I really don’t mind my tax going up.

As long as it’s spent for the good of all people in the country, where needed, and it’s not going into a Tory donors offshore account.

 

[abc]

... whereas this (wilfully?) misreads the situation. You've been banging on about how Labour hasn't divulged their policies -- which they have, and why there's nothing in here that's new, which is what ALL the political commentators are saying -- and now that they've released their manifesto -- containing just their previously divulged policies -- you're of the view that it's stuffed full of "so many blatantly unachievable promises".

Not sure about wilfully misreading the situation but yes, I am of that view and I'm very disappointed. I was hoping for more honesty.

May I ask why you seem so angry with me though?!

 

[abc]

This from the IFS, which hits the nail on the head:

It does, which makes my point. So I don't get your earlier reply to my post?

 

[amexer]

I sure Starmer would still get in even with a Socialist Agenda like Corbyns

 

[Napper]

Personally, I really don’t mind my tax going up.

As long as it’s spent for the good of all people in the country, where needed, and it’s not going into a Tory donors offshore account.

And this is the point . Socialist values .

Things are a mess . Tories have weaponised the tax issue and Labour imo should be going further with the rises .

I know the Tory way is self self self but most people do understand tax rises if help everyone overall are needed .

 

[Weststander]

40000 appointments is 1 extra a day per surgery around the country.

6600 teachers is 1 extra per 4 schools which are in a chronic shortage.

Pathetic.

Also pointed by Paul Johnson of the IFS on R5 today as a drop in the ocean.

 

[ozzygull]

And this is the point . Socialist values .

Things are a mess . Tories have weaponised the tax issue and Labour imo should be going further with the rises .

I know the Tory way is self self self but most people do understand tax rises if help everyone overall are needed .

Agree I would not mind paying a little bit more if things actually worked properly and could see value in it. Not for me personally but too see the end of the need for food banks, and shorter NHS waiting times would be nice. I would like to see a kinder society in general.

 

[WATFORD zero]

40000 appointments is 1 extra a day per surgery around the country.

6600 teachers is 1 extra per 4 schools which are in a chronic shortage.

Pathetic.

Letting what was the world's 5th largest economy when the current government first got in, crash into this current state whilst increasing taxes to an all time historic high is pathetic. Trying to dig it out from that, to whatever degree, really isn't

 

[beorhthelm]

Agree I would not mind paying a little bit more if things actually worked properly and could see value in it. Not for me personally but too see the end of the need for food banks, and shorter NHS waiting times would be nice. I would like to see a kinder society in general.

people say that but dont actually pay more (there's a a few million in voluntry tax contibutions each year). last serious tax rise, for social care, was wildly and loudly opposed, dropped soon after coming in.

the manifesto seem to be serious about not going down the tax and spend route, omission of captial gains doesn't bode well for investors though. nothing really new, in a good way, they're not springing any surprises and sticking to core few policies. i dont belive they'll deliver on energy promises, but more than i thought (in favour of nuclear, carbon capture and hydrogen). rest seems reasonable.

expecting a lot of Labour to hate it and vote Green.

 

[Weststander]

people say that but dont actually pay more (there's a a few million in voluntry tax contibutions each year). last serious tax rise, for social care, was wildly and loudly opposed, dropped soon after coming in.

the manifesto seem to be serious about not going down the tax and spend route, omission of captial gains doesn't bode well for investors though. nothing really new, in a good way, they're not springing any surprises and sticking to core few policies. i dont belive they'll deliver on energy promises, but more than i thought (in favour of nuclear, carbon capture and hydrogen). rest seems reasonable.

expecting a lot of Labour to hate it and vote Green.

…. and then spend 5 or 10 years slagging off the Red Tories on nsc and LBC.

 

[WATFORD zero]

expecting a lot of Labour to hate it and vote Green.

…. and then spend 5 or 10 years slagging off the Red Tories on nsc and LBC.

I think the pair of you may be disappointed. I predict a landslide to end all landslides (and this from a person who wants a Labour/Lib Dem coalition )

 

[Weststander]

I think the pair of you may be disappointed. I predict a landslide to end all landslides (and this from a person who wants a Labour/Lib Dem coalition )

You didn’t need to reply to me, I predicted a big Labour majority a long time ago.

I’m referring to the Momentum whiners here and elsewhere who’ll look to pollute all things Starmer/Reeves ad infinitum. Will you challenge them or reply “What about Boris”?

 

[WATFORD zero]

You didn’t need to reply to me, I predicted a big Labour majority a long time ago.

I’m referring to the Momentum whiners here and elsewhere who’ll look to pollute all things Starmer/Reeves ad infinitum. Will you challenge them or reply “What about Boris”?

So we're both in agreement about where this is going and trust me, once this lot are gone, I will be trying to wipe the Johnson/Truss/Sunak triumvirate from my worst nightmares for ever and ever

Nearly 20 days to go

 

[Eeyore]

Did the meek get anything ? cos they have a hell of a time.

I think he said something about 'bless-ed are the toolmakers'

 

[albionalba]

Agree I would not mind paying a little bit more if things actually worked properly and could see value in it.

It sounds appealing but it hasn't delivered anything useful in Scotland under the nationalism-under-cloak-of-socialism SNP

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

40000 appointments is 1 extra a day per surgery around the country.

6600 teachers is 1 extra per 4 schools which are in a chronic shortage.

Pathetic.

They could promise to raise taxes to pay for more. But that would jeopardize their chance of winning.

I'm content to see them win, and in with a working majority they can use to add some boldness as the landscape of the next 5 years unfolds before them.

This is an election about intent more than anything. We have seen what the Tories' priorities have been over the last 14 years: rebalancing society to create a desperate and compliant workforce while their family and chums gorge on state handouts (by way of lucrative government contracts, tax breaks and other wheezes that take resources from us plebs).

I know what intent I support, and am unphazed by the cautious manifesto and desiccated promises.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

It sounds appealing but it hasn't delivered anything useful in Scotland under the nationalism-under-cloak-of-socialism SNP

Don't you mean nationalism under the cloak of toss-pottery? The SNP hate and fear labour (having conned votes from their support base).

 

[Weststander]

Don't you mean nationalism under the cloak of toss-pottery? The SNP hate and fear labour (having conned votes from their support base).

You may see Labour tear the SNP apart on 4 July. Swinney/SNP took a bit of battering from the audience at the TV debate in Glasgow this week. His grandstanding attempts to rabble-rouse by blaming literally every failure on the Barnett Formula and the Sassenachs were generally mocked.