[Politics] Labour has suspended former leader Jeremy Corbyn

[Guinness Boy]

Perhaps it is not the quality of the parties that are the problem?

People seem intent of voting Tory whatever the weather.

What are the ruling classes there for if not to rule?

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Certainly a few cap doffers around.

 

[Mellor 3 Ward 4]

It's clear from listening to Today this morning -James Scheider and Kier Starmer were both on albeit at different times - that it's open civil war in the Labour Party now - with hopefully only one winner.

Hopefully McDonnell, RLB and the rest of Corbyn's cronies will all decide to jump ship and form the 'true socialist' party they crave.

Then Kier can look forward to moving the LP back to the centre ground and becoming PM in 4 years time.

 

[jcdenton08]

I can only imagine what it must be like to be in debt as a result of false promises, one question though, did you really expect Nick Clegg to win an election in 2010 and base what sounds like your financial stability on that?

Second question, he wasn’t PM in April of that year which means you would have either already been a “mature student “ or you would have already started your application no?

Either way it sounds to me like you were already in the system pre GE2010.

Of course when I voted, it was with their election promise in mind as well as being impressed with Clegg's overall performance. The fact they gained some power and then broke that promise is my issue. Had they not promised it, and therefore subsequently reneged, I (and millions others) potentially could have voted for another party. This would be mean the Libs never formed a coalition, those votes could have gone to Labour, and the higher education financial reform didn't happen. My point in this case was simply that nobody who voted Lib back then and were affected by this issue are likely to vote Lib again. I know I never would. As much as I'm sure this annoys lifelong Libs, the party leaderships made fateful decisions which caused them to break their one key election promise, the one which won a huge vote in the 18-21 demographic.

On your second point, in my case it wasn't a simple case of just "deciding" on the spur of a moment to study. I was living abroad, with a property I was renting with a fixed tenancy period, etc etc. There was a lot of planning over a year or more prior. But I wasn't formally in the system until I had completed the move back, in order to not end up in a sticky situation.

 

[Is it PotG?]

Len's concerned

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54742096

 

[Iggle Piggle]

You talk as if the Lib Dems had a parliamentary majority when in fact they were the minor party in the coalition, with a Tory party who couldn't wait to stitch them up. I am surprised they got anything done with that bunch of charlatans and rogues. if it had been a Lib - Lab coalition it may have been a different story.

Very much this. That Cameron / Clegg coalition was one of the better governments in my lifetime and the lib members of the cabinet certainly moderated the idiocy of the right of the Tory Party. The cabinet was also populated with some talent - Vince Cable the most obvious example - unlike the loyalty first, talent second Cummings bots we have today.Sadly the electorate is too thick to realise its better to be in minority power with influence than not in power at all chucking out meaningless soundbites from the sidelines.

 

[essbee1]

Len's concerned

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54742096

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Does that bloke have pictures of Jeremy Corbyn on his bedroom wall or something. I know
labour/Unions and all that, but it strikes me as a bit ott.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Len's concerned

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54742096

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Good. He's a dick

Labour supporters returning to the party in droves judging by Nicky Campbell's phone in. Plenty of dinosaurs calling in, mind. How sad.

 

[zefarelly]

Very much this. That Cameron / Clegg coalition was one of the better governments in my lifetime and the lib members of the cabinet certainly moderated the idiocy of the right of the Tory Party. The cabinet was also populated with some talent - Vince Cable the most obvious example - unlike the loyalty first, talent second Cummings bots we have today.Sadly the electorate is too thick to realise its better to be in minority power with influence than not in power at all chucking out meaningless soundbites from the sidelines.

The electorate are so thick they voted in the worst governement in living memory. Which also highlights how utterly shambolic and awful politicians in this country are. 50 years of dumbing down.

 

[borat]

Spend a few minutes watching this which summarises neatly

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMc_0gaeoBU&t=329s

 

[A1X]

The way I see it, Corbyn helped Starmer out of a hole yesterday. But for him, yesterday's news would have been dominated by Labour's terrible record on antisemitism and demands for Starmer to get shot of those responsible. He could have been painted as weak and indecisive. Instead, by forcing his hand, the news is now dominated by Starmer being seen to be repairing the damage done by antisemitism under Corbyn.

Yet again, Corbyn's misjudgement has caused him to hoof the ball into the back of his own net.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Corbyn apologist ranting on R5 now, suggesting Corbyn was suspended because "They wanted their pound of flesh"

Nicky Campbell muttered "I don't think you should have said that"

Nothing like the vanquishing of the hoplessly deluded to put a spring in one's step

 

[Guinness Boy]

It's clear from listening to Today this morning -James Scheider and Kier Starmer were both on albeit at different times - that it's open civil war in the Labour Party now - with hopefully only one winner.

Hopefully McDonnell, RLB and the rest of Corbyn's cronies will all decide to jump ship and form the 'true socialist' party they crave.

Then Kier can look forward to moving the LP back to the centre ground and becoming PM in 4 years time.

This. Out with the lunatic fringe, in with a truly progressive, socially liberal, centre left alternative to the Alt Right ruining the country right now. Don't really care if the purge takes a year and drags a few Union dinosaurs with it, the end result with be worth it #TeamSirKeir

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Spend a few minutes watching this which summarises neatly

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMc_0gaeoBU&t=329s

Corbyn's action (or lack thereof), not his words, created this crisis for Labour. Ironically it is his words that have got him suspended. I hope he has enough insight to savour the irony. Somehow I doubt it, though.

 

[Iggle Piggle]

The electorate are so thick they voted in the worst governement in living memory. Which also highlights how utterly shambolic and awful politicians in this country are. 50 years of dumbing down.

Whilst I wouldn't disagree that this is the worst government in my lifetime, this week neatly encapsulates why they are in with a huge majority. All Jezza had to do yesterday was apologise but he had to play the victim card and - like he did all too often as Labour leader - refused to listen or re-evaluate how he reacted. How he'd have been as a PM with covid we will never know but I'd bet it would be an equal or worse shit show that we have today which given where we are is quite some statement to make.

 

[Hugo Rune]

It's clear from listening to Today this morning -James Scheider and Kier Starmer were both on albeit at different times - that it's open civil war in the Labour Party now - with hopefully only one winner.

Hopefully McDonnell, RLB and the rest of Corbyn's cronies will all decide to jump ship and form the 'true socialist' party they crave.

Then Kier can look forward to moving the LP back to the centre ground and becoming PM in 4 years time.

This.

It won’t be difficult to beat this current Government as they’re clearly the worst we have had for decades and decades (pre-Thatcher) and possibly include the UK’s worst ever PM.

However, the far left needs to be purged first, Starmer could win three elections in a row if he can get rid of the far left.

 

[Guinness Boy]

Yet again, Corbyn's misjudgement has caused him to hoof the ball into the back of his own net.

And this is why, even if you buy the whole "peaceful old man with popular policies" schtick, he would have been an absolutely disastrous PM.

 

[Gwylan]

The way I see it, Corbyn helped Starmer out of a hole yesterday. But for him, yesterday's news would have been dominated by Labour's terrible record on antisemitism and demands for Starmer to get shot of those responsible.

He had got rid of them. The EHRC report itself said that there'd been an improvement in Labour's handling of complaints.

But Corbyn's actions have given further notion to the idea that Starmer is a clean break with the past.

 

[A1X]

And this is why, even if you buy the whole "peaceful old man with popular policies" schtick, he would have been an absolutely disastrous PM.

I agree. I voted Labour in every election up to 2015 (often in marginals), but I couldn't bring myself to vote for Labour under him in any election while he was leader for this very reason. I'd have happily voted for the policies with a different leader, but he was just far too much of a potential liability.

 

[darkwolf666]

He had got rid of them. The EHRC report itself said that there'd been an improvement in Labour's handling of complaints.

But Corbyn's actions have given further notion to the idea that Starmer is a clean break with the past.

That is it in a nutshell, Starmer knows if he wants to lead the Labour party to a GE victory they had to purge the idea that the party hadn't really changed. Corbyn has been handed up as the sacrificial lamb to this end - granted Corbyn made it easy for Starmer...

Just having New Leadership over his left shoulder in press conferences may not have been enough to convince people.

It's a bit like having an "under new management" sign on a pub that is a dive, people will still consider it a dive unless something tangible is done to prove otherwise..

 

[Goldstone1976]

I agree. I voted Labour in every election up to 2015 (often in marginals), but I couldn't bring myself to vote for Labour under him in any election while he was leader for this very reason. I'd have happily voted for the policies with a different leader, but he was just far too much of a potential liability.

Out of interest, did you vote at all in the GEs when he was leader?