[Politics] Labour has suspended former leader Jeremy Corbyn

[Uh_huh_him]

People now simply don't want it, but those people who are voting for it, are young now and will become the main demographic in the future then we shall see. 2017 was the biggest swing in any election and that was in favour of Corbyn, so there was at least some appetite. Labour should be a broad church of different ideas not childish factionalism, and thats where I lose interest and stop caring about party politics. As all it looks to me now is 'look we won' now actually do something that helps people, not just spend the time walking around talking about how your mate is now treasurer of the CLP. The Labour right has some very dodgy and some out right racist people but the light has rarely been shined on them, but they still are active within the party.

This.

 

[BenGarfield]

Maybe the Jews would disagree?

Apart from these and a many other ant-zionist socialist jewish people, perhaps?

 

[Triggaaar]

People now simply don't want it, but those people who are voting for it, are young now and will become the main demographic in the future then we shall see.

Just as 20 years ago young people voted labour, but now they have jobs and money fewer of them vote labour. My in-laws were Lib Dem voters, and now they're Tories and voted for Boris!

It's always been this way.

 

[Uh_huh_him]

As I said it is only middle ground that will get a party elected these days. Not for me but a great pity that those with real left wing views no longer have anybody to vote for.

I think this view is becoming less and less true.

Johnson didn't win the last election by appealing to the centrists.
Politics is a bit broken at the moment, the last 15 years has seen a sea-change in the way elections are fought.

I suspect the younger generation don't see traditional party-politics as a valid representation of their views and needs.

As the older generations die out, it will be interesting to see how it all plays out .
I won't be around to see it, but I hope it improves from the current post-truth, echo-chamber, lies and bluster, environmemt, we currently have.

 

[Uh_huh_him]

Just as 20 years ago young people voted labour, but now they have jobs and money fewer of them vote labour. My in-laws were Lib Dem voters, and now they're Tories and voted for Boris!

It's always been this way.

Just because it's always been this way, doesn't mean it always will be this way.

Party politics has always been tailored towards the needs of the 40 -70 year olds.
I'm 54 and we're possibly the last generation that will benefit from those politics.
My parent's generation had jobs for life, final salary pensions, Free education, Fully funded national health service, cheap housing.
My generation have some of these things, but my kids' generation have a lot less.

There are also a lot more of them. So even less to go around.
In my view , we will soon reach the point where the voting majority will not be the haves, it will be the have nots.

 

[Triggaaar]

Just because it's always been this way, doesn't mean it always will be this way.

Party politics has always been tailored towards the needs of the 40 -70 year olds.
I'm 54 and we're possibly the last generation that will benefit from those politics.
My parent's generation had jobs for life, final salary pensions, Free education, Fully funded national health service, cheap housing.
My generation have some of these things, but my kids' generation have a lot less.

There are also a lot more of them. So even less to go around.
In my view , we will soon reach the point where the voting majority will not be the haves, it will be the have nots.

Sure, and politics may move to the left a bit, who knows, but the point is that younger people tend to be further to the left, and those same people tend to move a bit to the right as they get older. I'm not expecting socialism to become the dominant force in British politics any time soon.

 

[aolstudios]

As I said it is only middle ground that will get a party elected these days. Not for me but a great pity that those with real left wing views no longer have anybody to vote for.

I have real left wing views. I was brought up with them.
A major reason why I couldn't (last time) vote for an incompetent shitshow, run by a bunch of out of touch, posh boy career long obsessive racists

 

[Bakero]

Just as 20 years ago young people voted labour, but now they have jobs and money fewer of them vote labour. My in-laws were Lib Dem voters, and now they're Tories and voted for Boris!

It's always been this way.

It always used to be this way. If by always we're talking late 20th Century to the early days of the new millienium.

The inexorable drift to the right that used to go hand in had with ageing doesn't seem to be happening these days though.

 

[borat]

There were some hugely unpopular views Corbyn held which they didn’t exactly advertise in the manifesto…

Just making thing up now

 

[Uh_huh_him]

Sure, and politics may move to the left a bit, who knows, but the point is that younger people tend to be further to the left, and those same people tend to move a bit to the right as they get older. I'm not expecting socialism to become the dominant force in British politics any time soon.

I'm guessing you're a similar age to me.
The fact that what you say is true of our generation, doesn't mean it will always remain so.

My grandparents' generation lived through the great depression and the 2nd world war.
Back in 45 their view on socialism wasn't clouded by "student politics" or youthful rebellion.
They voted for the things they needed and the party that would give it for them.

Sooner or later the government need to be able to meet the needs of the majority of the electorate.
My guess is that cheaper housing and decent public services, will become a higher priority than lower taxation for the wealthy, sooner than you think.

 

[jackalbion]

Why were Jews with nothing to do with Israel mentioned, Jewish Labour MP's the victims of a new tidal wave of abuse, they also had to have overt and secret security when attending a Labour Party conference?

Disgusting times. The party that led the way in anti-racism in short time had allowed racist scum to join and stay, whilst comments about Jewry were prevalent.

What about the still sitting MP for Canterbury who's personal crusade is turning many LGBT members away? That Starmer has done nothing about, it isn't about solving anti semitism (which does exist and did exist) its about factionalism. They don't care about sorting any actual racism and anti Semitism.

 

[Mellor 3 Ward 4]

Starmer will win the next election, and the subsequent one too.

Get used to the idea.

Starmer doesn't need the likes of Corbyn in the Labour Party.

 

[Triggaaar]

I'm guessing you're a similar age to me.
The fact that what you say is true of our generation, doesn't mean it will always remain so.

It also seems to be the case for our parents generation. That's no guarantee of the future, but socialism doesn't really work unless you have a large source of income from the government to pay for everyone.

Sooner or later the government need to be able to meet the needs of the majority of the electorate.
My guess is that cheaper housing and decent public services, will become a higher priority than lower taxation for the wealthy, sooner than you think.

Yes I agree that they'll need to meet the needs of the majority. But I can't imagine a socialist government ever being able to provide that, because people don't want to put in the extra graft when they're taxed to death.

 

[LamieRobertson]

Starmer will win the next election, and the subsequent one too.

Get used to the idea.

Starmer doesn't need the likes of Corbyn in the Labour Party.

Hmm…and there was me thinking “A week is a long time in politics” had some semblance of truth……what position will we finish in at the end of this season and next

 

[borat]

What about the still sitting MP for Canterbury who's personal crusade is turning many LGBT members away? That Starmer has done nothing about, it isn't about solving anti semitism (which does exist and did exist) its about factionalism. They don't care about sorting any actual racism and anti Semitism.

Agreed that the current leadership does give a sh*t about AS other than to use it as a political weapon.

Starmer has expelled 60 jews from the party without so much of a murmur from the press.

Its evident, there is/was a hierarchy of racism in terms of what considered important.

Black Labour members give their testimony in this doc

 

[aolstudios]

Agreed that the current leadership does give a sh*t about AS other than to use it as a political weapon.

Starmer has expelled 60 jews from the party without so much of a murmur from the press.

Its evident, there is/was a hierarchy of racism in terms of what considered important.

Black Labour members give their testimony in this doc

Qatari state, Al Jazeera's 'Labour files'?
Impeccable source there. Thoroughly unbiased too

 

[Uh_huh_him]

It also seems to be the case for our parents generation. That's no guarantee of the future, but socialism doesn't really work unless you have a large source of income from the government to pay for everyone.



Yes I agree that they'll need to meet the needs of the majority. But I can't imagine a socialist government ever being able to provide that, because people don't want to put in the extra graft when they're taxed to death.

Yeah but we're dinosaurs.
The fact we can't imagine a world where..... is also a natural part of ageing.

We have only ever known a world where if you work hard you can afford all of life's essentials.
For us, It's good that companies make enormous profit's because they will pay good wages/pensions/holidays.
The trade off is moving the other way. My kid's generation don't see business profits in the same way we do.

What is stopping the government from increasing the level of taxation on company profits to pay their costs?
We've had 15 years of cost cutting - at some point you have to accept their is a cost to running the country and taxes need to cover that cost.
Why does that have to be called socialism?

 

[Weststander]

Qatari state, Al Jazeera's 'Labour files'?
Impeccable source there. Thoroughly unbiased too

From THE respected body that deal with all such issues. Damning.

Investigation into antisemitism in the Labour Party | Equality and Human Rights Commission

www.equalityhumanrights.com

 

[amexer]

I think this view is becoming less and less true.

Johnson didn't win the last election by appealing to the centrists.
Politics is a bit broken at the moment, the last 15 years has seen a sea-change in the way elections are fought.

I suspect the younger generation don't see traditional party-politics as a valid representation of their views and needs.

As the older generations die out, it will be interesting to see how it all plays out .
I won't be around to see it, but I hope it improves from the current post-truth, echo-chamber, lies and bluster, environmemt, we currently have.

This.

This.

I would not bank on the young for the left wing vote in the future. Majority may have these views as students but large majority would have different views 25/30 and maybe more 30 plus

 

[aolstudios]

From THE respected body that deal with all such issues. Damning.

Investigation into antisemitism in the Labour Party | Equality and Human Rights Commission

www.equalityhumanrights.com

Absolutely.
The opposite of al Jazeera