[Politics] Labour Anti Semitism - Against the faith or the Israeli State?

[darkwolf666]

I thought your post was perfectly clear and my eye glossed over the spelling.

Unbelievably I was a proof reader in a former life, yet as said, my banana fingers on a mobile phone keyboard and auto correct got the better of me!

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Corbyn talks the talk when it comes to fighting racism but he has shared numerous platforms with rabid antisemites calling some of them his friends ... actions speak louder than words. For many on the left, It's like antisemitism is tolerable if you have a cause (Palestine). I think we all know if we replaced antisemitism with a different form of bigotry/racism (white supremacy) then Corbyn wouldn't share a platform with that type of racist no matter their grievance (legitimate or otherwise) ... why?

 

[Lower West Stander]

There is more than an element of truth in this. However it is also equally true that there are elements within the Labour Party, who are anti-semitic and Corbyn has not been interested in stamping this out. Broadly they support his oppressed/oppressor Palestine/Israel agenda and dogmatic principles. Corbyn and labour are going to fail. Given the choice between a feckless liar and a dogmatic unwieldy leader, everything is pointing to the country preferring the feckless liar.

And therein lies the problem with Corbyn and the Labour Party leadership.

Whether Corbyn is anti-Semitic or not has become a side issue. It’s his lack of control of those making extreme comments. This follows through to his party leadership. It’s not Labour policies which are putting him behind in the polls it’s a perception about his lack of competency in carrying them out.

He hasn’t stamped the problem out because essentially he’s a weak leader and the polls so far suggest he hasn’t convinced voters otherwise.


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[daveinplzen]

Corbyn talks the talk when it comes to fighting racism but he has shared numerous platforms with rabid antisemites calling some of them his friends ... actions speak louder than words. For many on the left, It's like antisemitism is tolerable if you have a cause (Palestine). I think we all know if we replaced antisemitism with a different form of bigotry/racism (white supremacy) then Corbyn wouldn't share a platform with that type of racist no matter their grievance (legitimate or otherwise) ... why?

Are these 'rabid anti semites' Palestinians?

 

[daveinplzen]

And therein lies the problem with Corbyn and the Labour Party leadership.

Whether Corbyn is anti-Semitic or not has become a side issue. It’s his lack of control of those making extreme comments. This follows through to his party leadership. It’s not Labour policies which are putting him behind in the polls it’s a perception about his lack of competency in carrying them out.

He hasn’t stamped the problem out because essentially he’s a weak leader and the polls so far suggest he hasn’t convinced voters otherwise.


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Yes, but are the extreme comments concerning the Faith/Jews, or are they related to the State?

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Are these 'rabid anti semites' Palestinians?

Some of them are yes, does that make their antisemitism Ok then?

 

[daveinplzen]

Some of them are yes, does that make their antisemitism Ok then?

I think that is one of the silliest questions ive ever seen on NSC. Thats not just having a go at you. I genuinely think that is a daft question.

Who are the other ones incidentally?

 

[JC Footy Genius]

I think that is one of the silliest questions ive ever seen on NSC. Thats not just having a go at you. I genuinely think that is a daft question.

I think your ongoing inability to acknowledge elements on the left have a significant problem with confronting and tackling antisemitism speaks volumes

... I think we all know if we replaced antisemitism with a different form of bigotry/racism (white supremacy) then Corbyn wouldn't share a platform with that type of racist no matter their grievance (legitimate or otherwise) ... why?

 

[knocky1]

I think your ongoing inability to acknowledge elements on the left have a significant problem with confronting and tackling antisemitism speaks volumes

... I think we all know if we replaced antisemitism with a different form of bigotry/racism (white supremacy) then Corbyn wouldn't share a platform with that type of racist no matter their grievance (legitimate or otherwise) ... why?

Jeremy Corbyn Footy Genius typing about the legitimate grievances of white supremacy.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Jeremy Corbyn Footy Genius typing about the legitimate grievances of white supremacy.

Even a white supremacist might have some legitimate grievances, anyway, enough of avoiding the question. Your turn ... I think we all know if we replaced antisemitism with a different form of bigotry/racism (white supremacy) then Corbyn wouldn't share a platform with that type of racist no matter their grievance (legitimate or otherwise) ... why?

 

[knocky1]

Even a white supremacist might have some legitimate grievances, anyway, enough of avoiding the question. Your turn ... I think we all know if we replaced antisemitism with a different form of bigotry/racism (white supremacy) then Corbyn wouldn't share a platform with that type of racist no matter their grievance (legitimate or otherwise) ... why?

Who are the anti semites he shares a platform with?

 

[Swansman]

The leadership of the Zionist entity are the true anti-semites and in some instances even Nazi collaborators and I ****ing hate that media etc finds it perfectly fine to mock Orthodox jews but dont allow a bad word about the Zionist fraction. So much history is "hidden" (though its there, official and all, if you really dig into it). Some examples of the disgusting actions and non-actions of the Zionist leadership:

In 1938 Zionist leader Golda Meir turned down Hitler's offer to let Jews leave Germany for $250 per person.

In 1940 Zionist leader Henry Ford said no to helping Jewish refugees stuck in the Danube river, saying "

In 1941 and 1942 Gestapo offers the Zionist leaders to escort Jewish families to Spain for $1000 per family (paid at arrival in Spain) with some preconditions: 1) none of the deported can go to Palestine, b) all of the deported gets asylum in USA or UK/UK colonies. The Zionist leaders in Switzerland and Turkey who got this offer turned it down, meaning only Palestine was good enough. These leaders very well knew that the alternative to accepting this offer was the gas chambers.

In 1944 the same offer is given about the Hungarian jews, but again the Zionist leaders says no.

In December 1942 the UK parliament had a plan to move 500 000 Jews from Germany to different UK colonies. Negotiations with the German government started, but the Zionist leaders in UK said no, meaning it was not an option as long as Palestine was excluded.

16th February 1943, Romania says 70 000 Jewish refugees in the Trans-Dniestra region to leave for 50$ per person. Yitzhak Greenbaum of the Jewish Agency in Tel-Aviv said of the offer: "when they asked, could you organization help us with the money, I said no, and I say no again, you have to reject these offers that put the Zionist activity second. A cow in Palestine is more important than a thousand Jews in Europe". One week later, Stephen Wise, a zionist leader in the US, also turned the offer down.

In 1947, after the war was over, US politican William Station said they should immediatly allow 400 000 Jews still in refugee camps (refusing to move to Israel since it is against Orthodox beliefs). Zionist leaders publicly said no.

Ten years later, hundreds of thousands of Jews refusing to move to Israel still lived in refugee camps. When Canadian politician JW Pickersgill got the question "cant you open your doors for these Jews?", he said "Yes... but the Israeli government dont want us to".

The UK government gave 300 rabbis and their families visas to move to Mauritius (going through Turkey). The Jewish Agency sabotaged the plan, saying it was "disloyal against Palestine".

1941, Jews of the Israeli nationalist organisation Lehi or "Stern Gang" tells the German government they could collaborate because:
1. There could be common interest between the new, German Europe and a Zionist state in Palestine. 2. Not only common interests but collaboration would be possible between these states. 3. A deal with the German goverment considering a Zionist state could strengthen the German power in the Middle East.

They also suggested Jewish men to be trained by the German army in order to easily take over Palestine.

Mind you, the terrorists of the Stern Gang held very high positions in the Israeli state when it was formed.

 

[Chicken Run]

Corbyn is not a racist nor is he antisemitic, he is a **** though...

 

[NooBHA]

My opinion is I agree with you. It seems that dark forces are afoot to paint anyone who dares criticise Israel and their less than innocent deeds, as being anti semetic.

Oh no, does that make me anti-semetic...?

There is anti Semitic views everywhere including the Labour Party and every other party. Society has not been kind to the Jews for thousands of years and I think everyone must recognise that.

However when someone like David Baddiel pipes up and views Jeremy Corbyn's failure to pronounce the name " Epstein " correctly as being " Anti Semitic " - That to me suggests that the he " witch hunt " has turned full circled

 

[beorhthelm]

There is anti Semitic views everywhere including the Labour Party and every other party. Society has not been kind to the Jews for thousands of years and I think everyone must recognise that.

However when someone like David Baddiel pipes up and views Jeremy Corbyn's failure to pronounce the name " Epstein " correctly as being " Anti Semitic " - That to me suggests that the he " witch hunt " has turned full circled

it was a funny thing to pick up on... however its also odd that he pronounced it like that, i dont recall it in any report on the story. never knew pronouncing names of jewish ancestry was so loaded.

 

[NooBHA]

Even a white supremacist might have some legitimate grievances, anyway, enough of avoiding the question. Your turn ... I think we all know if we replaced antisemitism with a different form of bigotry/racism (white supremacy) then Corbyn wouldn't share a platform with that type of racist no matter their grievance (legitimate or otherwise) ... why?

As far as I can see. The only "grievance" and I use the term loosely in this instance. Their only grievance seems to be "Why can't they be as Supreme as they once were. Their views are horrific

 

[jackanada]

While I don't wish to diminish the issue of anti Jewish racism in the labour party, i am more disturbed by the number of labour MPs who are Friends of Israel without challenging it's fundamentally racist position of denying a Palestinian right of return.

 

[Triggaaar]

It seems that dark forces are afoot to paint anyone who dares criticise Israel and their less than innocent deeds, as being anti semetic.

People here and elsewhere constantly criticise Israel for their occupation of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. They don't get called anti-Semitic.

It's probably more that their are forces afoot to stop Corbyn getting into power.

 

[BadFish]

The right wing media seem to be doing a pretty good job of also convincing everyone that anyone in the media is a lefty luvvie snowflake.

You have to doff your cap to the propaganda skills of Murdoch et al.

Pity that the effects are so devastating for many of those that lap it up.

 

[BadFish]

People here and elsewhere constantly criticise Israel for their occupation of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. They don't get called anti-Semitic.

It's probably more that their are forces afoot to stop Corbyn getting into power.

As a point of order this did happen a few years ago on a thread about Israel/Palestine. Although it was only one poster who was particularly passionate about his support of Israel.