[Albion] Knockaert and depression

[Robinjakarta]

It seems so obvious now with erratic and poor performances and behaviour with recent changes for the better. Many saw the link with his father's death but not many with depression. Explains everything really. Great kudos to Anthony for speaking out!

 

[Guinness Boy]

Get over it, Knocky. It's known as life and it's made up of smooth bits and rough bits. Dealing with the rough bits is part of life and doesn't require a public outpouring of grief.

Absolutely scandalous reaction for a Brighton fan to have to one of his own players, never mind the fact that you are either trolling - and be VERY careful if you carry on - or the most unempathetic bloke I've come across in a very long time. In fact lack of empathy can, itself, be a sign of mental illness, specifically narcissism.

I have a very good friend who is going through similar problems at the moment and I can 100% assure you that one way OF dealing with the rough bits is to admit to yourself and others that there is a problem. Doing so, if you are male, makes you more, not less of a man.

Let's get Knocky's song absolutely rocking round the Amex tomorrow. I'll be singing it till I'm hoarse.

 

[Megazone]

Good on AK for being brave enough to speak out about the trauma his mind has recently been through. The more people speak out about depression and it's impact on life, the sooner we'll become more aware and sensitive with how we treat and speak to others. At the moment, depression still has this stigma of people being weak and reclusive when infact even a prem footballer ''living the dream' can still be suffering from a life threatening mental illness. This'll help others to realise they're not alone.

Together

 

[LlcoolJ]

I thought constant trolling was supposed to result in a ban. I don't think I've ever read one of this moron's posts that ISN'T trolling. Although this is sinking really low even for him.

 

[Dick Swiveller]

and be VERY careful if you carry on

Phew. Might get nipped in the bud at source. Oh. Wait.

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[Robinjakarta]

We've certainly come a long since John Gregory telling Stan Collymore to cheer up.

Edit: Or at least I thought we had until I read that pathetic post from 'goldstone'.

Always one on threads like this.

 

[W.C.]

i was depressed when my mum died......just saying

Sorry to hear about your mum.

Not sure what you mean by 'just saying' though?

 

[the right footed denilson]

Phew. Might get nipped in the bud at source. Oh. Wait.


https://nortr3nixy.nimpr.uk/showthread.php?353124-poster-goldstone-banned

Ban the bellend.

 

[larus]

I liked this statement :

“The manager came to speak to me and said ‘we’re not giving you the choice, we’re getting you a counsellor’.

Who does this Hewton guy think he is, giving orders to players about their personal life?

 

[Easy 10]

Interesting piece from Martin Samuel in the Mail today on Danny Rose and his depression:

The new era of openness with England under manager Gareth Southgate is rightly applauded. One wonders if it has been as well received at Tottenham, however, given its possible impact on their transfer budgets and strategy this season.

Plainly, money is tight with the new stadium nearing completion.

Yet funds for summer deals were expected to be met by two lucrative sales — Toby Alderweireld and Danny Rose. Both had, to a large extent, fallen out of favour with the coach and while Alderweireld had contract issues that may have suppressed his price, Rose was a banker: the same age, 28, as Kyle Walker who had fetched in £50million from Manchester City a year earlier.

Even if Spurs could not get that, they felt it was possible to retrieve £40m. And then Rose went public on mental health issues.

At an England training camp in June, Rose said he had been diagnosed with depression, and had even taken medication for it. His admission was welcomed for its importance and honesty, a sign of changing times in which footballers could admit their personal battles and fragility, and maybe help those struggling with similar problems.

Rose said he was through it, that he was in a better place. It was a positive story of overcoming adversity; unfortunately, it may have inadvertently killed his transfer.

We know how we would like the world to be, but the marketplace is different. Even 60 per cent of Walker is a lot of money for a left back — Andrew Robertson, one of the stars of Liverpool’s resurgence cost just £8m from Hull, Marcos Alonso set Chelsea back £24m — but a left back struggling with depression? That’s an expensive gamble.

And we may be aghast at this apparent coldness but the fact is, if it was your club, or your money, you would feel the same. You would worry about how Rose might handle a new injury, considering that was in part a trigger for his mental setback, how he might settle abroad, or in a new part of the country, how he would respond to the pressures of a big club, or a spell out of the team.

Most of all, a coach or a recruitment executive would worry that if anything went wrong, it would reflect on his judgment, because Rose’s struggles were well documented.

The upshot being, what Spurs had hoped to accrue in transfers did not materialise and, perhaps as a result, Mauricio Pochettino did not add to his squad.

And this does not mean young men should feel unable to talk about mental health, but it is the way a market measured in tens of millions works.

Whatever society’s attitudes, clubs will prefer low-maintenance talent.



Knocky obviously isn't in the tens of millions bracket like Rose is, and we're not looking to offload him anyway, but I'd hope his openness in revealing his problems with mental health wouldn't count against him if/when he moves on. The fact that he now seems to have conquered his demons and come out the other side is a credit to him.

I wonder if he'll seek Danny out for a chat some time tomorrow.

 

[Durlston]

Someone I was aware of (didn't actually know them) died recently. I found out last night that they took their own life and had struggled with MH issues for a long time.
They were young, talented and successful ..... I'm stunned.

I'm really sorry to hear that, pearl.

Hope you're alright. I've always been able to open up to mental health specialists but there have been times when I've felt on the brink.

 

[sir albion]

I liked this statement :

“The manager came to speak to me and said ‘we’re not giving you the choice, we’re getting you a counsellor’.

Who does this Hewton guy think he is, giving orders to players about their personal life?

It's brilliant but I'd suspect there's 10's of thousands that won't get that luxury with a huge waiting list and upto a year wait.

 

[Iggle Piggle]

Interesting piece from Martin Samuel in the Mail today on Danny Rose and his depression:

The new era of openness with England under manager Gareth Southgate is rightly applauded. One wonders if it has been as well received at Tottenham, however, given its possible impact on their transfer budgets and strategy this season.

Plainly, money is tight with the new stadium nearing completion.

Yet funds for summer deals were expected to be met by two lucrative sales — Toby Alderweireld and Danny Rose. Both had, to a large extent, fallen out of favour with the coach and while Alderweireld had contract issues that may have suppressed his price, Rose was a banker: the same age, 28, as Kyle Walker who had fetched in £50million from Manchester City a year earlier.

Even if Spurs could not get that, they felt it was possible to retrieve £40m. And then Rose went public on mental health issues.

At an England training camp in June, Rose said he had been diagnosed with depression, and had even taken medication for it. His admission was welcomed for its importance and honesty, a sign of changing times in which footballers could admit their personal battles and fragility, and maybe help those struggling with similar problems.

Rose said he was through it, that he was in a better place. It was a positive story of overcoming adversity; unfortunately, it may have inadvertently killed his transfer.

We know how we would like the world to be, but the marketplace is different. Even 60 per cent of Walker is a lot of money for a left back — Andrew Robertson, one of the stars of Liverpool’s resurgence cost just £8m from Hull, Marcos Alonso set Chelsea back £24m — but a left back struggling with depression? That’s an expensive gamble.

And we may be aghast at this apparent coldness but the fact is, if it was your club, or your money, you would feel the same. You would worry about how Rose might handle a new injury, considering that was in part a trigger for his mental setback, how he might settle abroad, or in a new part of the country, how he would respond to the pressures of a big club, or a spell out of the team.

Most of all, a coach or a recruitment executive would worry that if anything went wrong, it would reflect on his judgment, because Rose’s struggles were well documented.

The upshot being, what Spurs had hoped to accrue in transfers did not materialise and, perhaps as a result, Mauricio Pochettino did not add to his squad.

And this does not mean young men should feel unable to talk about mental health, but it is the way a market measured in tens of millions works.

Whatever society’s attitudes, clubs will prefer low-maintenance talent.



Knocky obviously isn't in the tens of millions bracket like Rose is, and we're not looking to offload him anyway, but I'd hope his openness in revealing his problems with mental health wouldn't count against him if/when he moves on. The fact that he now seems to have conquered his demons and come out the other side is a credit to him.

I wonder if he'll seek Danny out for a chat some time tomorrow.

I like Samuel and would agree that its about the only reason to buy or log onto the Mail. That piece, though, is flawed for me. Take Marcus Alonso who he quotes for instance. He has been involved in a car accident where we crashed and killed the female passenger whilst being twice over the limit for Alcohol. That's much more of a reason for Chelsea to have 2nd thoughts than a struggle with depression during injury but it never stopped Chelsea coughing 24 million up. I'd wager the reason no-one spent £40 mill on Rose was that not even in this over inflated market where we pick up Dutch DJ's for 15 million or £100K a week for a Palace striker who cant' score is that no-one was stupid enough to cough up that much for a Spurs overpaid, reserve full back, who was the worst England player on the pitch in the only game he played. If one of the big 6 is desperate for a player in that position he'd have gone.

 

[Durlston]

I've been reading Jermaine Pennant's autobiography that's recently been published and from thinking he's always been a completely spoilt tool, he's had some of the worst things that no human should go through. His mother completely abandoning him as a baby had a full impact on his life and led to serious mental health problems.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Just as well that late-at-night Knocky thread post at the back-end of last season got taken down by NSC mods earlydoors. Else the player's sainthood may well have been taken into question...

 

[cowburn86]

Superb behaviour from the club here, there are some stories that make you incredibly proud to support our club. All the best Knocky.

 

[pearl]

I'm really sorry to hear that, pearl.

Hope you're alright. I've always been able to open up to mental health specialists but there have been times when I've felt on the brink.

I'm fine, hope you are too? The person wasn't a friend. I think I was trying to say that someone can project an image of being happy and successful when inside they're falling apart. I have never suffered from actual depression, but I do try to be alert to other peoples (if that makes sense?)
Take care x

 

[macbeth]

Get over it, Knocky. It's known as life and it's made up of smooth bits and rough bits. Dealing with the rough bits is part of life and doesn't require a public outpouring of grief.

Poor fishing. Classless and thoughtless. A lot more though needed here. Overall Fishing Grade: E

 

[portlock seagull]

I've been reading Jermaine Pennant's autobiography that's recently been published and from thinking he's always been a completely spoilt tool, he's had some of the worst things that no human should go through. His mother completely abandoning him as a baby had a full impact on his life and led to serious mental health problems.

Equally, many people in similar circumstances go onto lead perfectly happy lives and materially, loved and opportunity 'rich' people get depression. That's the thing with depression. Anyone can get it. Like the plague. Kings or Peasantry. It cares not which thou are....(in this instance, obviously Knocky is the King, mind, and we're all peasants should anyone need reminding)

 

[Triggaaar]

Get over it, Knocky. It's known as life and it's made up of smooth bits and rough bits. Dealing with the rough bits is part of life and doesn't require a public outpouring of grief.

**** off.