[Politics] King’s Cross - Ramadan Message

[WATFORD zero]

Who knows, as this episode we are commenting on demonstrates, we are already well on the wedge journey aren't we?

In less than 100 years, despite increasing secularisation in the U.K. a new religion has arrived, put down roots and continues to be indulged by the powers that be.

With a growing population in the U.K., predominantly young, and ever more constituencies with Muslims holding the balance of power the rest of the wedge is unlikely to be the like of what we have seen before. Perhaps in time we will see a Islamic political party, sharia law enshrined in U.K. law, only halal meat in schools, legal acceptance of polygamy, blasphemy laws, teachers hounded from jobs, maybe even the Islamic republic of Lancashire (or somewhere where a Muslim majority holds the balance of power).

We can either accept growing Islamic influence or reject it to maintain a broadly our secular country with a Christian background. To do the latter we will need to draw a line somewhere to reduce the former, as the French well know.

Watching you dance around trying to avoid a third (or maybe fourth) ban for racism and islamophobia keeps me amused. Even with your contacts at the very highest level of NSC , time will be up eventually. Even Ppf Lasted for a few years until it eventually became too embarrassing

 

[The Clamp]

Who knows, as this episode we are commenting on demonstrates, we are already well on the wedge journey aren't we?

In less than 100 years, despite increasing secularisation in the U.K. a new religion has arrived, put down roots and continues to be indulged by the powers that be.

With a growing population in the U.K., predominantly young, and ever more constituencies with Muslims holding the balance of power the rest of the wedge is unlikely to be the like of what we have seen before. Perhaps in time we will see a Islamic political party, sharia law enshrined in U.K. law, only halal meat in schools, legal acceptance of polygamy, blasphemy laws, teachers hounded from jobs, maybe even the Islamic republic of Lancashire (or somewhere where a Muslim majority holds the balance of power).

We can either accept growing Islamic influence or reject it to maintain a broadly our secular country with a Christian background. To do the latter we will need to draw a line somewhere to reduce the former, as the French well know.

Draw a line?

History teaches us that outlawing religion is never very successful.


Do you think the Western world has always been Christian?

At many points in history Christians have usurped The existing religion. It will happen to Christianity eventually and to every subsequent religion until we wipe ourselves out.

Brace yourself.

 

[jonny.rainbow]

Who knows, as this episode we are commenting on demonstrates, we are already well on the wedge journey aren't we?

In less than 100 years, despite increasing secularisation in the U.K. a new religion has arrived, put down roots and continues to be indulged by the powers that be.

With a growing population in the U.K., predominantly young, and ever more constituencies with Muslims holding the balance of power the rest of the wedge is unlikely to be the like of what we have seen before. Perhaps in time we will see a Islamic political party, sharia law enshrined in U.K. law, only halal meat in schools, legal acceptance of polygamy, blasphemy laws, teachers hounded from jobs, maybe even the Islamic republic of Lancashire (or somewhere where a Muslim majority holds the balance of power).

We can either accept growing Islamic influence or reject it to maintain a broadly our secular country with a Christian background. To do the latter we will need to draw a line somewhere to reduce the former, as the French well know.

How exactly is a growing Islamic influence impacting on secular society in Britain?

Give me one example of something you have been forced to do based on the Islamic faith growing in Britain.

 

[BadFish]

Who knows, as this episode we are commenting on demonstrates, we are already well on the wedge journey aren't we?

In less than 100 years, despite increasing secularisation in the U.K. a new religion has arrived, put down roots and continues to be indulged by the powers that be.

With a growing population in the U.K., predominantly young, and ever more constituencies with Muslims holding the balance of power the rest of the wedge is unlikely to be the like of what we have seen before. Perhaps in time we will see a Islamic political party, sharia law enshrined in U.K. law, only halal meat in schools, legal acceptance of polygamy, blasphemy laws, teachers hounded from jobs, maybe even the Islamic republic of Lancashire (or somewhere where a Muslim majority holds the balance of power).

We can either accept growing Islamic influence or reject it to maintain a broadly our secular country with a Christian background. To do the latter we will need to draw a line somewhere to reduce the former, as the French well know.

If, as you say the acknowledgement of ramadan at a train station is well into the wedge then perhaps the wedge isn't as terrifying as you perceive?

Personally, I am prepared to accept growing Islamic influence as it is many people's chosen faith. Just as I am prepared to accept other faiths, beliefs and identities. Not on the extremes though, not those prejudiced against others based on their beliefs, looks etc. We need to draw a line in the sand against you lot.

 

[Guinness Boy]

Who knows, as this episode we are commenting on demonstrates, we are already well on the wedge journey aren't we?

In less than 100 years, despite increasing secularisation in the U.K. a new religion has arrived, put down roots and continues to be indulged by the powers that be.

With a growing population in the U.K., predominantly young, and ever more constituencies with Muslims holding the balance of power the rest of the wedge is unlikely to be the like of what we have seen before. Perhaps in time we will see a Islamic political party, sharia law enshrined in U.K. law, only halal meat in schools, legal acceptance of polygamy, blasphemy laws, teachers hounded from jobs, maybe even the Islamic republic of Lancashire (or somewhere where a Muslim majority holds the balance of power).

We can either accept growing Islamic influence or reject it to maintain a broadly our secular country with a Christian background. To do the latter we will need to draw a line somewhere to reduce the former, as the French well know.

Dear me, what a load of scare mongering nonsense.

You should write to Richard Tice about the possibility of you standing for Reform. It’s exactly the same line as his merry gang of racists are now rapidly deleting from Twitter as they get outed. And at least you can spell.

 

[pb21]

Who knows...

Doesn't stop you painting a picture where in a few years you won't be able to say that you're English without getting beheaded though.

 

[London Irish]

King's Cross: Network Rail removes Ramadan message after complaints

Network Rail says it is looking into why "general Ramadan celebratory messages" were not used.

www.bbc.co.uk

I really don’t want this to turn into a binfest or drag the racists out, but what were they thinking with this?

I don’t think a train platform timetable board is any place for preaching any religion. They’ve made the right decision now, but who on earth let this happen?

I think organised religion should be kept in the homes and places of worship and organised events - not in one of the busiest train stations in the world.

Who wants to be be called a sinner and told to repent on their morning commute?

Please keep it polite and respectful as I don’t want moderators to see this as me instigating a binfest.

Can see you are not trying to whip up the knuckle-draggers but to be consistent you'd have to start policing all the Christmas and Jesus messages we get too in public spaces. Who really cares? Is it harmful? Islam is one of the big faith-based religions in the UK now and showing a bit of tolerance for their output along with all the other big religions and their festival events makes us a more tolerant place. Not got a religious bone in my body, as I am Catholic

 

[Triggaaar]

I am not religious at all and do not find that offensive in any way.

I don't find it offensive, but I don't think it should be displayed at a train station

 

[Zeberdi]

Who knows, as this episode we are commenting on demonstrates, we are already well on the wedge journey aren't we?

In less than 100 years, despite increasing secularisation in the U.K. a new religion has arrived, put down roots and continues to be indulged by the powers that be.

With a growing population in the U.K., predominantly young, and ever more constituencies with Muslims holding the balance of power the rest of the wedge is unlikely to be the like of what we have seen before. Perhaps in time we will see a Islamic political party, sharia law enshrined in U.K. law, only halal meat in schools, legal acceptance of polygamy, blasphemy laws, teachers hounded from jobs, maybe even the Islamic republic of Lancashire (or somewhere where a Muslim majority holds the balance of power).

We can either accept growing Islamic influence or reject it to maintain a broadly our secular country with a Christian background. To do the latter we will need to draw a line somewhere to reduce the former, as the French well know.

I’m truly shocked by your comments - what is this if it is not Islamophobic dog whistling and seeking to
promote a hatred of Muslims/non-whites? Britain is a multi cultural, ethno-religious diverse society. It has been for decades.

The idea that we are being taken over by non-whites or more specifically Muslims is frankly, white supremacist and nationalist ideology. It is the sort of thinking that was used as a justification for murdering 6 million Jews stoked up by anti/semitic fervour and discrimination policies. In Britain today, it is an absurd conspiracy theory based as it is on a misunderstanding of the demographic reality of the UK.

According to the last Census in 2021, 82% of British citizens were white. 6.7% of the population identified as Muslim with 42% identifying as Christian and 37% said they had no religious affiliation at all. We have a very long way to go before the ‘Great Replacement’.

What is the ‘great replacement theory’? A scholar of race relations explains

False ideas about the extinction of the white race, spread around the late 19th and early 20th centuries, gave rise to xenophobic and anti-immigration conspiracy theories.

theconversation.com

 

[BadFish]

I’m truly shocked by your comments - what is this if it is not Islamophobic dog whistling and seeking to
promote a hatred of Muslims/non-whites? Britain is a multi cultural, ethno-religious diverse society. It has been for decades.

The idea that we are being taken over by non-whites or more specifically Muslims is frankly, white supremacist and nationalist ideology. It is the sort of thinking that was used as a justification for murdering 6 million Jews stoked up by anti/semitic fervour and discrimination policies. In Britain today, it is an absurd conspiracy theory based as it is on a misunderstanding of the demographic reality of the UK.

According to the last Census in 2021, 82% of British citizens were white. 6.7% of the population identified as Muslim with 42% identifying as Christian and 37% said they had no religious affiliation at all. We have a very long way to go before the ‘Great Replacement’.

What is the ‘great replacement theory’? A scholar of race relations explains

False ideas about the extinction of the white race, spread around the late 19th and early 20th centuries, gave rise to xenophobic and anti-immigration conspiracy theories.

theconversation.com

This is where the 'thin end of the wedge' narrative is so powerful. If one has the mind to you can take it anywhere. Even an Islamic Republic of Lancashire apparently.

 

[cunning fergus]

How exactly is a growing Islamic influence impacting on secular society in Britain?

Give me one example of something you have been forced to do based on the Islamic faith growing in Britain.

Well, directly we have intrusive security checks now in places we never used to?

Indirectly, I don’t recall voting for a system that supported polygamy?

Muslim husbands with more than one wife to get extra benefits as

Husbands living in a "harem" with multiple wives have been cleared to claim state benefits for all their different partners.

www.standard.co.uk

Must have missed that meeting.

 

[Guinness Boy]

Well, directly we have intrusive security checks now in places we never used to?

Indirectly, I don’t recall voting for a system that supported polygamy?

Muslim husbands with more than one wife to get extra benefits as

Husbands living in a "harem" with multiple wives have been cleared to claim state benefits for all their different partners.

www.standard.co.uk

Must have missed that meeting.

You obviously didn’t go in the North Stand at the Goldstone then, when you were regularly and properly searched by a Copper rather than patted down by a steward.

And security checks have always been a thing before you fly (including the internal flights I used to take in Taiwan where there was almost zero chance of a Muzzy flying and between Singapore and Malaysia where my wife and I were almost the only non believers).

 

[cunning fergus]

If, as you say the acknowledgement of ramadan at a train station is well into the wedge then perhaps the wedge isn't as terrifying as you perceive?

Personally, I am prepared to accept growing Islamic influence as it is many people's chosen faith. Just as I am prepared to accept other faiths, beliefs and identities. Not on the extremes though, not those prejudiced against others based on their beliefs, looks etc. We need to draw a line in the sand against you lot.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions, and for U.K. institutions the indulging of ANY religion in an increasingly multi faith country is going to create problems. Notwithstanding the legitimate complaints by traditionalists with British institutions embracing the growing influence of the Islamic faith, there is the even more tricky reconciliation of that approach with the much greater population of the Godless.

That is why this episode is troubling. The last census indicated the growing demographic of the non religious, and so where is the message for the atheists? There won’t be one and we all know why. Even the likes of Prof Richard Dawkins will happily weigh into Christianity, but won’t wander up Whitechapel with a similarly offensive refrain for that lot.

You may want to put your faith in a belief system that everything will turn out OK in 20, 50 or 100 years but there is no precedent for this kind of demographic/cultural shift arising from the contemporary movement of people into a country who view the world differently.

Maybe the Balkans and Kosovo is the best example.

 

[cunning fergus]

You obviously didn’t go in the North Stand at the Goldstone then, when you were regularly and properly searched by a Copper rather than patted down by a steward.

And security checks have always been a thing before you fly (including the internal flights I used to take in Taiwan where there was almost zero chance of a Muzzy flying and between Singapore and Malaysia where my wife and I were almost the only non believers).

Yeah, I remember that, it was done due to violence by football fans, an they took place no where else. No security checks are de reiguer everywhere and at events with no history of violence.

Unless events like Ariadne Grande concerts have been beset by unreported violence from prepubescent girls and the friends of Dorothy.

I can remember security free flights too, you need to try harder.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

I walked past the well known Christian preacher in Liverpool City Centre on Sunday, telling me I was going to hell.

Then some Islamic book sellers with a sign asking whether Jesus was Muslim.

I was utterly offended but only after the busker absolutely killing Careless Whisper.

At which I had a pint and got over it.

You should have pointed out to the preacher you'd already arrived in hell ...... Liverpool.

 

[Talby]

It’s a message on a billboard. I don’t know why the people it’s not relevant to can’t just ignore it, in the same way you ignore any other irrelevant info on those boards. Like arrivals if you are looking at departures. Some folk have way too much time on their hands.

If I’m looking for a train to Brighton I ignore the ones going to Luton. Same principle, it’s pretty easy.

 

[Talby]

Watching you dance around trying to avoid a third (or maybe fourth) ban for racism and islamophobia keeps me amused. Even with your contacts at the very highest level of NSC , time will be up eventually. Even Ppf Lasted for a few years until it eventually became too embarrassing

If I’m looking for a train to Brighton I ignore the ones going to Luton. Same principle, it’s pretty easy.

Oh and I didn’t intend for that to be a metaphor for cultural and religious division….but I suppose it is and now I feel very proud of myself.

Doesn’t bother me. I think a multi cultural society is great. Otherwise we’ll be overrun with gammons.

 

[Guinness Boy]

Yeah, I remember that, it was done due to violence by football fans, an they took place no where else. No security checks are de reiguer everywhere and at events with no history of violence.

So white football fans caused an increase in security checks then

Security free flights . One quick google would have told you we've had checks in the UK for over 50 years and, in fact, they were stopped on one British route in 2017. In the US they came in during 1973 as a result of a hijacking of a Southern Airways plane by Melvin Cale, Louis Moore and Henry D Jackson (as opposed to, say, Raza Mohammed).

It's you that needs to do better, frankly. Start with a bit of research instead of 'remembering things'.

Britain introduces flights without security checks for first time in almost 50 years

Union warns of a heightened risk of terrorism

www.independent.co.uk

 

[The Clamp]

Yeah, it’s probably best to exclude and make Muslims feel like outsiders in their own home country. That sort of thing always leads to good things

 

[cheshunt seagull]

I'm an atheist and I have no problem with greetings that have a basis in religion being shown in this way but it isn't appropriate for any texts like this to be displayed. I would feel the same if it was verses from the New Testament. It isn't something I am getting particularly wound up by but I think it best avoided. Public spaces should be secular.