Indeed, imagine being that desperate to post something profound in a vague attempt to garner some high fives and use the cancer diagnosis of a 75 year old man for purpose, I have to remind myself sometimes that these cretins are not spotty keyboard warriors but middle aged men, truly embarrassing as it is terrifying
I don't think that @One Teddy Maybank is lecturing you.
They're just stating a fact that if you have a suspected cancer, then early screening is a great option for ALL.
Talking to Teddy over PM to ensure my experience never happens again.
How do we know - I’m not sure we do - I suspect they would not release news of such a highly personal nature? Either way, it is a horrible shock for anyone and I do feel sorry for anyone dealing with cancer.Apparently not the prostrate issue he went into hospital for but something else they found
Thank you for sharing.How do we know - I’m not sure we do - I suspect they would not release news of such a highly personal nature? Either way, it is a horrible shock for anyone and I do feel sorry for anyone dealing with cancer.
As for the other comments - Just to be clear, I am neither a republican nor a Royalist, neither a ‘leftie’ nor a tory - I am a hospital outpatient, a cancer survivor and with suspected cancer waiting scans etc so my views are entirely from that POV:
HRH has access to immediate, first class medical treatment thankfully for him (unlike many of thousands still on waiting lists for cancer treatment) - it is very unfortunate and difficult for him as it is for anyone with C but don’t for one minute think he has the additional stresses and burdens of not being able to speak to Drs or get appointments when you need them or not being able to start rapid treatment when needed. Those delays and stresses can significantly impact on your prognosis on top of coping with the actual disease - I can’t begin to explain the level of anxiety when trying to negotiate all of that on you own in a region of the Country that has particularly long waiting lists.
I have literally in the past week, just had a 2 week cancer referral dropped by my new GP practice after waiting with terrifying anxiety for over a week about what I had been told by the original GP practice who requested an urgent referral because he suspected cancer. This is while under investigation by the hospital for possible pancreatic cancer. The new GP palmed me off on Friday with antibiotics “just in case” that ‘gets rid of the unidentified lumps in my groin’ first as they had to ‘try other possibilities’ before using the cancer pathway which comes now with impossibly strict criteria. This is despite a recent history of cancer a few years ago which btw, I was also given several weeks of antibiotics for by a GP before they finally put me into a 2 week cancer referral pathway and the biopsies came back positive. However, GP’s are under intense pressure not to refer people under the 2 week cancer window now to keep hospital waiting lists down - this is what the public don’t get told and have to bide by very strict criteria, ie has everything else been ruled out first? There is not a fcuking thing I can do about it, knowing that delays to treatment for cancer can be a matter of life or death. I am resigned to this being the sad state of the NHS now - for so many people, it’s a crap shoot.
I hope KC recovers well and sorry if this sounds like sour grapes - I have been (and going) through hell last year and this year both with cancer and numerous other organ-related issues resulting from medical mismanagement and negligence so I am not in the mood for hearing how the rich and famous or the Royals have private top class Consultants at their fingertips when someone like myself spends 3 months waiting for urgent, elective surgery, while being treated with a toxic level of intravenous antibiotics until the wait turns into a life-threatening, emergency operation situation; or two days on a hard trolly in a busy, noisy A&E corridor with subsequent antibiotic-induced acute liver damage because there are no beds available or how they can get chucked out of their hospital bed in the middle of the night and have to cope with repeated failed discharges to make room for more urgent cases. I’m not saying they don’t deserve first class health care but don’t we all? I pay my taxes and National Insurance exactly for that
It is gracious of the King to share his experience of the diagnosis as it may inspire many men to get checked out and I sincerely wish him well as I do anyone facing the big C - but I very much doubt his experience of the NHS treating him and him telling everyone how wonderfully he was treated will be the same for millions of other patients waiting for specialist referrals, on cancer waiting lists for treatment or compared to their own experiences as inpatients.
I took the quote from the DT….i’d be surprised if they’d got it wrong ..but did say “apparently”How do we know - I’m not sure we do - I suspect they would not release news of such a highly personal nature? Either way, it is a horrible shock for anyone and I do feel sorry for anyone dealing with cancer.
As for the other comments - Just to be clear, I am neither a republican nor a Royalist, neither a ‘leftie’ nor a tory - I am a hospital outpatient, a cancer survivor and with suspected cancer waiting scans etc so my views are entirely from that POV:
HRH has access to immediate, first class medical treatment thankfully for him (unlike many of thousands still on waiting lists for cancer treatment) - it is very unfortunate and difficult for him as it is for anyone with C but don’t for one minute think he has the additional stresses and burdens of not being able to speak to Drs or get appointments when you need them or not being able to start rapid treatment when needed. Those delays and stresses can significantly impact on your prognosis on top of coping with the actual disease - I can’t begin to explain the level of anxiety when trying to negotiate all of that on you own in a region of the Country that has particularly long waiting lists.
I have literally in the past week, just had a 2 week cancer referral dropped by my new GP practice after waiting with terrifying anxiety for over a week about what I had been told by the original GP practice who requested an urgent referral because he suspected cancer. This is while under investigation by the hospital for possible pancreatic cancer. The new GP palmed me off on Friday with antibiotics “just in case” that ‘gets rid of the unidentified lumps in my groin’ first as they had to ‘try other possibilities’ before using the cancer pathway which comes now with impossibly strict criteria. This is despite a recent history of cancer a few years ago which btw, I was also given several weeks of antibiotics for by a GP before they finally put me into a 2 week cancer referral pathway and the biopsies came back positive. However, GP’s are under intense pressure not to refer people under the 2 week cancer window now to keep hospital waiting lists down - this is what the public don’t get told and have to bide by very strict criteria, ie has everything else been ruled out first? There is not a fcuking thing I can do about it, knowing that delays to treatment for cancer can be a matter of life or death. I am resigned to this being the sad state of the NHS now - for so many people, it’s a crap shoot.
I hope KC recovers well and sorry if this sounds like sour grapes - I have been (and going) through hell last year and this year both with cancer and numerous other organ-related issues resulting from medical mismanagement and negligence so I am not in the mood for hearing how the rich and famous or the Royals have private top class Consultants at their fingertips when someone like myself spends 3 months waiting for urgent, elective surgery, while being treated with a toxic level of intravenous antibiotics until the wait turns into a life-threatening, emergency operation situation; or two days on a hard trolly in a busy, noisy A&E corridor with subsequent antibiotic-induced acute liver damage because there are no beds available or how they can get chucked out of their hospital bed in the middle of the night and have to cope with repeated failed discharges to make room for more urgent cases. I’m not saying they don’t deserve first class health care but don’t we all? I pay my taxes and National Insurance exactly for that
It is gracious of the King to share his experience of the diagnosis as it may inspire many men to get checked out and I sincerely wish him well as I do anyone facing the big C - but I very much doubt his experience of the NHS treating him and him telling everyone how wonderfully he was treated will be the same for millions of other patients waiting for specialist referrals, on cancer waiting lists for treatment or compared to their own experiences as inpatients.
Sorry to hear about your challenges, I really hope things improve.How do we know - I’m not sure we do - I suspect they would not release news of such a highly personal nature? Either way, it is a horrible shock for anyone and I do feel sorry for anyone dealing with cancer.
As for the other comments - Just to be clear, I am neither a republican nor a Royalist, neither a ‘leftie’ nor a tory - I am a hospital outpatient, a cancer survivor and with suspected cancer waiting scans etc so my views are entirely from that POV:
HRH has access to immediate, first class medical treatment thankfully for him (unlike many of thousands still on waiting lists for cancer treatment) - it is very unfortunate and difficult for him as it is for anyone with C but don’t for one minute think he has the additional stresses and burdens of not being able to speak to Drs or get appointments when you need them or not being able to start rapid treatment when needed. Those delays and stresses can significantly impact on your prognosis on top of coping with the actual disease - I can’t begin to explain the level of anxiety when trying to negotiate all of that on you own in a region of the Country that has particularly long waiting lists.
I have literally in the past week, just had a 2 week cancer referral dropped by my new GP practice after waiting with terrifying anxiety for over a week about what I had been told by the original GP practice who requested an urgent referral because he suspected cancer. This is while under investigation by the hospital for possible pancreatic cancer. The new GP palmed me off on Friday with antibiotics “just in case” that ‘gets rid of the unidentified lumps in my groin’ first as they had to ‘try other possibilities’ before using the cancer pathway which comes now with impossibly strict criteria. This is despite a recent history of cancer a few years ago which btw, I was also given several weeks of antibiotics for by a GP before they finally put me into a 2 week cancer referral pathway and the biopsies came back positive. However, GP’s are under intense pressure not to refer people under the 2 week cancer window now to keep hospital waiting lists down - this is what the public don’t get told and have to bide by very strict criteria, ie has everything else been ruled out first? There is not a fcuking thing I can do about it, knowing that delays to treatment for cancer can be a matter of life or death. I am resigned to this being the sad state of the NHS now - for so many people, it’s a crap shoot.
I hope KC recovers well and sorry if this sounds like sour grapes - I have been (and going) through hell last year and this year both with cancer and numerous other organ-related issues resulting from medical mismanagement and negligence so I am not in the mood for hearing how the rich and famous or the Royals have private top class Consultants at their fingertips when someone like myself spends 3 months waiting for urgent, elective surgery, while being treated with a toxic level of intravenous antibiotics until the wait turns into a life-threatening, emergency operation situation; or two days on a hard trolly in a busy, noisy A&E corridor with subsequent antibiotic-induced acute liver damage because there are no beds available or how they can get chucked out of their hospital bed in the middle of the night and have to cope with repeated failed discharges to make room for more urgent cases. I’m not saying they don’t deserve first class health care but don’t we all? I pay my taxes and National Insurance exactly for that
It is gracious of the King to share his experience of the diagnosis as it may inspire many men to get checked out and I sincerely wish him well as I do anyone facing the big C - but I very much doubt his experience of the NHS treating him and him telling everyone how wonderfully he was treated will be the same for millions of other patients waiting for specialist referrals, on cancer waiting lists for treatment or compared to their own experiences as inpatients.
Oof. All the best Zeb.How do we know - I’m not sure we do - I suspect they would not release news of such a highly personal nature? Either way, it is a horrible shock for anyone and I do feel sorry for anyone dealing with cancer.
As for the other comments - Just to be clear, I am neither a republican nor a Royalist, neither a ‘leftie’ nor a tory - I am a hospital outpatient, a cancer survivor and with suspected cancer waiting scans etc so my views are entirely from that POV:
HRH has access to immediate, first class medical treatment thankfully for him (unlike many of thousands still on waiting lists for cancer treatment) - it is very unfortunate and difficult for him as it is for anyone with C but don’t for one minute think he has the additional stresses and burdens of not being able to speak to Drs or get appointments when you need them or not being able to start rapid treatment when needed. Those delays and stresses can significantly impact on your prognosis on top of coping with the actual disease - I can’t begin to explain the level of anxiety when trying to negotiate all of that on you own in a region of the Country that has particularly long waiting lists.
I have literally in the past week, just had a 2 week cancer referral dropped by my new GP practice after waiting with terrifying anxiety for over a week about what I had been told by the original GP practice who requested an urgent referral because he suspected cancer. This is while under investigation by the hospital for possible pancreatic cancer also and awaiting a contrast CT. The new GP palmed me off on Friday with antibiotics “just in case” that ‘gets rid of the unidentified lumps in my groin’ first as they had to ‘try other possibilities’ before using the cancer pathway which comes now with impossibly strict criteria. This is despite a recent history of cancer a few years ago which btw, I was also given several weeks of antibiotics for by a GP before they finally put me into a 2 week cancer referral pathway and the biopsies came back positive. However, GP’s are under intense pressure not to refer people under the 2 week cancer window now to keep hospital waiting lists down - this is what the public don’t get told and have to bide by very strict criteria, ie has everything else been ruled out first? There is not a fcuking thing I can do about it, knowing that delays to treatment for cancer can be a matter of life or death. I am resigned to this being the sad state of the NHS now - for so many people, it’s a crap shoot.
I hope KC recovers well and sorry if this sounds like sour grapes - I have been (and going) through hell last year and this year both with cancer and numerous other organ-related issues resulting from medical mismanagement and negligence so I am not in the mood for hearing how the rich and famous or the Royals have private top class Consultants at their fingertips when someone like myself spends 3 months waiting for urgent, elective surgery, while being treated with a toxic level of intravenous antibiotics until the wait turns into a life-threatening, emergency operation situation; or two days on a hard trolly in a busy, noisy A&E corridor with subsequent antibiotic-induced acute liver damage because there are no beds available or how they can get chucked out of their hospital bed in the middle of the night and have to cope with repeated failed discharges to make room for more urgent cases. I’m not saying they don’t deserve first class health care but don’t we all? I pay my taxes and National Insurance exactly for that
It is gracious of the King to share his experience of the diagnosis as it may inspire many men to get checked out and I sincerely wish him well as I do anyone facing the big C - but I very much doubt his experience of the NHS treating him and him telling everyone how wonderfully he was treated will be the same for millions of other patients waiting for specialist referrals, on cancer waiting lists for treatment or compared to their own experiences as inpatients.
EDIT - This is not intended to invoke sympathy, sadness or pity - I don’t need that - it is to demonstrate that the treatment and experience of one patient on the NHS can be vastly different from another and until anyone has experienced that, they shouldn’t judge others for feeling aggrieved when that tiered level of service is so acutely highlighted as it is in this instance for example.
I’m a Republican. I wouldn’t wish this disease on anyone, and I’m sure other Republicans wouldn’t either.
I think this where folk's irritations come from. Charles is just another person to many, a lot of whom will have struggles of their own health wise. So unfortunately the grief and worry that we are subliminally told we should feel becomes irritation. Then we add stories like yours and we can see why folk get troubled with the coverage. This evening, in the car, I turned on the news and it felt like Charles was my mother or father, such was the infiltration in my head of all the seriousness of what is happening. Of course, it is serious, but to me it's another person who has fallen victim. Like I may do one day, like my brother who did and died at 56. We can express sympathy, and indeed should, but to take in the emotion of it all, or be expected to, is to be forced into some kind of ceremonial devotion. So folk react. They have enough grief of their own. And they also become mindful of those who didn't have such sympathy or first class care.How do we know - I’m not sure we do - I suspect they would not release news of such a highly personal nature? Either way, it is a horrible shock for anyone and I do feel sorry for anyone dealing with cancer.
As for the other comments - Just to be clear, I am neither a republican nor a Royalist, neither a ‘leftie’ nor a tory - I am a hospital outpatient, a cancer survivor and with suspected cancer waiting scans etc so my views are entirely from that POV:
HRH has access to immediate, first class medical treatment thankfully for him (unlike many of thousands still on waiting lists for cancer treatment) - it is very unfortunate and difficult for him as it is for anyone with C but don’t for one minute think he has the additional stresses and burdens of not being able to speak to Drs or get appointments when you need them or not being able to start rapid treatment when needed. Those delays and stresses can significantly impact on your prognosis on top of coping with the actual disease - I can’t begin to explain the level of anxiety when trying to negotiate all of that on you own in a region of the Country that has particularly long waiting lists.
I have literally in the past week, just had a 2 week cancer referral dropped by my new GP practice after waiting with terrifying anxiety for over a week about what I had been told by the original GP practice who requested an urgent referral because he suspected cancer. This is while under investigation by the hospital for possible pancreatic cancer also and awaiting a contrast CT. The new GP palmed me off on Friday with antibiotics “just in case” that ‘gets rid of the unidentified lumps in my groin’ first as they had to ‘try other possibilities’ before using the cancer pathway which comes now with impossibly strict criteria. This is despite a recent history of cancer a few years ago which btw, I was also given several weeks of antibiotics for by a GP before they finally put me into a 2 week cancer referral pathway and the biopsies came back positive. However, GP’s are under intense pressure not to refer people under the 2 week cancer window now to keep hospital waiting lists down - this is what the public don’t get told and have to bide by very strict criteria, ie has everything else been ruled out first? There is not a fcuking thing I can do about it, knowing that delays to treatment for cancer can be a matter of life or death. I am resigned to this being the sad state of the NHS now - for so many people, it’s a crap shoot.
I hope KC recovers well and sorry if this sounds like sour grapes - I have been (and going) through hell last year and this year both with cancer and numerous other organ-related issues resulting from medical mismanagement and negligence so I am not in the mood for hearing how the rich and famous or the Royals have private top class Consultants at their fingertips when someone like myself spends 3 months waiting for urgent, elective surgery, while being treated with a toxic level of intravenous antibiotics until the wait turns into a life-threatening, emergency operation situation; or two days on a hard trolly in a busy, noisy A&E corridor with subsequent antibiotic-induced acute liver damage because there are no beds available or how they can get chucked out of their hospital bed in the middle of the night and have to cope with repeated failed discharges to make room for more urgent cases. I’m not saying they don’t deserve first class health care but don’t we all? I pay my taxes and National Insurance exactly for that
It is gracious of the King to share his experience of the diagnosis as it may inspire many men to get checked out and I sincerely wish him well as I do anyone facing the big C - but I very much doubt his experience of the NHS treating him and him telling everyone how wonderfully he was treated will be the same for millions of other patients waiting for specialist referrals, on cancer waiting lists for treatment or compared to their own experiences as inpatients.
EDIT - This is not intended to invoke sympathy, sadness or pity - I don’t need that - it is to demonstrate that the treatment and experience of one patient on the NHS can be vastly different from another and until anyone has experienced that, they shouldn’t judge others for feeling aggrieved when that tiered level of service is so acutely highlighted as it is in this instance for example.
He's rich, of course he'll be fine! Worked well for Chadwick Boseman, Aretha Franklin, David Bowie, Kirstie Alley etc. that's just celebrities and rich people that died due to cancer off the top of my head in a few seconds. Classless and stupid, well played.
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I’m afraid he/she is wrong. It’s actually the reverse, the fear factor of missing something leads them to refer more (and to be fair understandably so). The broader guidelines results in secondary care being flooded, with what are in essence inappropriate referrals.Thanks.
The part I highlighted, was what I was told by my new GP on Friday - the NHS government guidelines has very very strict criteria and the Government are putting pressure on GPs to only refer if they suspect cancer - it has been apparently misused in some regions/by some overworked GPs (inferring my previous practice should not have referred me) (and hence the ‘mindblowing referrals) other GPs seem not to want to sully their reputation by referring too many ‘negative’ outcomes - I was told in no uncertain terms that I have to take a course of antibiotics before they would refer me or I could go to A&E and take my chances there in getting blood tests and seeing a specialist ( completely inappropriate use of A&E which GPs have also been prone to do far too often because of a lack of GP appointments). More recently the two week window is being phased out to treatment optimally within 28 days and so where there are regional disparities in waiting lists, some patients could be waiting even longer for referrals. One can not accurately assess performance without taking on board regional disparities- I am living in one of the most income deprived areas in the Country and I can say, hand on heart, the healthcare I received in Sussex/Hove was in another league in terms of services and access to NHS care but that was 8 years ago so maybe that’s changed. I can’t speak for the NHS as a whole, only my direct experiences of it. But I don’t want to hijack the thread (any more, that is).
After all, this is about King Charles and how most of us are shocked by the news and hope he has a good prognosis.
i was referring to Pavionaires comment;
All elloquently expressed and with a great deal of insight as your posts always are.
You can quote me targets all you like
- we all know ‘targets’ don’t mean the same thing as achieving. Please read the link I posted above - Some GPs (including mine) are ‘trying out other options’ before referring people and some are failing to recognise cancer symptoms at the initial point of contact (including with my first bout of cancer). Anyway, you seem to be in denial of my experience of the NHS which is patchy at best so I won argue with you further.