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[Albion] Kieran McKenna







Machiavelli

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Oct 11, 2013
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Nobody should ever be surprised in football of people jumping for what they see is a career ladder stepping stone to their ultimate goals, they nearly all do it!
And that's precisely how/why we're in the great place that we are. We are a career ladder stepping stone. That's our model, which we stick to as RDZ has discovered. And we're extremely good at it.
McKenna is 38, and has managed one club. He might be tempted by United or Chelsea if they actually want him, but they're both faded giants, extremely volatile, and he should think carefully as to whether now is the right time for him to take them on. He should also think carefully about whether two or three years with us would build the skills and experiences such that he could take them or their equivalents on at that later stage in his career.
 


TomandJerry

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Chelsea are prepared to rival Brighton for the appointment of Ipswich’s Kieran McKenna after reaching an agreement to part company with Mauricio Pochettino by mutual consent on Tuesday.
 


PILTDOWN MAN

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Chelsea are prepared to rival Brighton for the appointment of Ipswich’s Kieran McKenna after reaching an agreement to part company with Mauricio Pochettino by mutual consent on Tuesday.
Are they really?
 








Zeberdi

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From two successful promotion scraps to a (probable) relegation dogfight. Is it really that attractive? He got to tell a load of players they are not good enough for the EPL. He then has to sign a load of other players who might be earning a lot more than their teammates. Nowadays, it’s a massive achievement to stay in the EPL in your first season back (it didn’t happen last season), can this really be an exciting prospect?

Perhaps some managers want to specialise in winning and not scrapping at the bottom?
Yes quite. It’s a big leap in standard from the Championship to EPL which is why there’s a revolving door in the relegation zone. Getting promoted after a particularly good season doesn’t always translate to staying up. (Thank you Hughton).
 


DavidinSouthampton

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If he stayed at Ipswich, I would applaud his loyalty
If he came to Brighton, I would admire his ambition
If he went to Chelsea, I would question his decision making.
absolutely. Putting financial considerations aside, in most ways we must be a more attractive proposition For the right person.
 






TomandJerry

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Oct 1, 2013
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McKenna shorter odds compared to yesterday

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Hotchilidog

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And that's precisely how/why we're in the great place that we are. We are a career ladder stepping stone. That's our model, which we stick to as RDZ has discovered. And we're extremely good at it.
McKenna is 38, and has managed one club. He might be tempted by United or Chelsea if they actually want him, but they're both faded giants, extremely volatile, and he should think carefully as to whether now is the right time for him to take them on. He should also think carefully about whether two or three years with us would build the skills and experiences such that he could take them or their equivalents on at that later stage in his career.
If McKenna wants the United or Chelsea job he may even view coming to Brighton as a means to that end. When fit we have a decent PL squad, but that squad should be strengthened this offseason, and to a greater degree than Ipswich. Media-wise we are very popular so any success he had here would not go unnoticed and he will get pimped out by the press, so he needs not worry about future prospects. I also think having some experience of the Premier league will aid his progression as a manager.

I think we could make a good pitch to McKenna, albeit with the caveat that the pay and resources will be less than he'd get at Chelsea or United.
 








dippy2449

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Wasn't me, Sky Bet only allow me to stake 20p on sports (they've identified me as someone who gambles responsibly aka a problem gambler ... for them).
Yeah "gamble responsibly" "but whatever you do GAMBLE!!"
 




Braggfan

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May 12, 2014
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I don't buy that. Everyone thinks they will go down. So if they do he has performed to expectations and his stock will remain the same. If they get close or even stay up his stock will shoot up.
I think they'll go down. The only way they could possibly stay up is if some teams, maybe Forest, Everton etc get hit with more point deductions. Because that might actually give them a chance. But even still, they're not going to be midtable. The likelihood (almost certainty) is they will be relegated or at best escape on a technicality. I don't mean to be horrible to them, or p**s on their parade but the modern premier league is decided by the vast amounts of money that everyone spends, its a distorted competition. I don't think Ipswich can compete on that financial side.

But you are right, that if they get relegated they'd be meeting expectations. But although the expectations are the same, his stock will definitely drop. Ultimately no big 6 team will appoint a manager who has just been relegated or avoided relegation based on other teams being deducted points. Their fans wouldn't stand for it. Man United fans would go ballistic if they stick with Ten Hag, have another bad season and then replace him with a manager who's team were relegated or finished 4th from bottom.

Staying at Ipswich only works for his career, if he wants to commit to Ipswich long term. But if he has bigger plans, then now is the time for him to leave (not necessarily to us), because he might never have a time when his profile is so high.
 


Nobby Cybergoat

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From two successful promotion scraps to a (probable) relegation dogfight. Is it really that attractive? He got to tell a load of players they are not good enough for the EPL. He then has to sign a load of other players who might be earning a lot more than their teammates. Nowadays, it’s a massive achievement to stay in the EPL in your first season back (it didn’t happen last season), can this really be an exciting prospect?

Perhaps some managers want to specialise in winning and not scrapping at the bottom?
I think we also have to consider that we know PSR is being enforced (well it is for clubs like Ipswich). So even if they had the money to take the Forest route of buying 30 new players, then PSR or it's replacement is going to catch them out.

I can't help thinking how much of their success has been on the basis of loan players as well, Hutchinson in particular.

Staying up would be a spectacular achievement for Ipswich, even if they keep their manager. Personally I think they will get nowhere near it, but I hope they give it a good shot.
 




Hiheidi

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Dec 27, 2022
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Yes, I think - despite being a great story - going from L1 to the PL with only one year in the Championship will be their undoing. Accounts for FFP are viewed across three years, so they will have a year of L1 revenue, bringing down the amount they can spend. Plus four of their team at the end of this season were loaned in - with Omari Hutchinson being a bit of a star for them, but Chelsea do need to sell some players for their own FFP, so he might not be available to them next season.
 








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