Ken Livingstone Suspended

[This is me]

I don't know them personally, but Tomer and Beram seem alright to me.

But then i don't judge people by the actions of their governments, unlike you.

Indeed. I'll be waving my Israeli flag in West Stand Upper on Monday (North Stand end)

 

[bigcabboy]

They should have elected Andy Burnham.

it would have been there only chance of winning an election if they had!

 

[Tom Bombadil]

He's already lost two leadership elections by a big margin. A great Cabinet Minister, not a natural party leader.

Corbyn 's obviously a terrible party leader but that hasn't stopped him

 

[looney]

The USA protects Israel. That's enough for them to ride roughshod over the Palastinians. The USA has the Jewish influence not Israeli.

You make 2 wild claims free of any details and wonder why you are likely to be accused of anti-sematism? How does the USA protect Israel? From what and why shouldn't it? They seem pretty good at protecting themselves? What jewish "Influence"?

Under the 3 D's of Deligitamise, Demonise and double standards your post looks like anti-Semitism

 

[Lower West Stander]

I'm hoping Andy Burnham mounts a leadership challenge in the autumn. If that fails its time for a new party. Student politics is fun when you are a student, but when you are over 60, its time surely to Get a ****ing Job.

I thought his performance on Question Time last night was pathetic.

He is the most lily livered consensual politician I think I've ever seen. The only thing he's interested in is his own ambition.

 

[darkwolf666]

I think it might be the bits about Hitler that have proved the final straw today...

Think you will find Livingstone said that Hitler was originally a supporter of Zionist ideals and the repatriation of Jews to Palestine, before going mad and killing 6 million Jews. He then criticised the current Israeli government for smearing anyone that spoke out against them, branding them anti-Semitic, just like has now happened to Livingstone.

It is wrong when you can't criticise anyone for fear of being anti something!!!

 

[Questions]

You make 2 wild claims free of any details and wonder why you are likely to be accused of anti-sematism? How does the USA protect Israel? From what and why shouldn't it? They seem pretty good at protecting themselves? What jewish "Influence"?

Under the 3 D's of Deligitamise, Demonise and double standards your post looks like anti-Semitism

Trust me Looney , I have never wondered why I am accused of anti semitism. Because guess what.......... Until you, I haven't been. So I reckon I'm ok on that score . Israel breaks more U.N. Resolutions than anybody and I wonder why they get away with that ? Don't respond with your 3 D's anymore.......... It's meaningless and far to broad to continue a debate on.
There is no substance in your arguments as to your accusations whatsoever.

 

[The Birdman]

They should have elected Andy Burnham.

I agree the Tory on question time praised him Corbyn would be diaster for Great Britain.

 

[beorhthelm]

You make 2 wild claims free of any details and wonder why you are likely to be accused of anti-sematism? How does the USA protect Israel? ... What jewish "Influence"

apart from the $3billion direct military aid, billions in loans and effectively being the state's security guarantor? and how about the AIPAC political lobbying group, funding politics with $millions. you have to be very blinkered to not recognise the strong, public, two way USA-Israeli relations.

 

[daveinprague]

Theres plenty of people of Jewish faith, who deplore the actions of Zionism, and the government of the State of Israel. Guess that must mean theres anti Semetic Jews.

 

[LlcoolJ]

apart from the $3billion direct military aid, billions in loans and effectively being the state's security guarantor? and how about the AIPAC political lobbying group, funding politics with $millions. you have to be very blinkered to not recognise the strong, public, two way USA-Israeli relations.

Never mind the facts though.

I wouldn't bother if I were you, it's like arguing with a cheese sandwich.

 

[Kalimantan Gull]

Its kind of bizarre for a country that is becoming very secular, very non-religous, that there are all these anti-religion battles going on. Anti-semitisim, Anti-islam, people on here are getting very het up about it. Anyway, if the left are anti-semitic the right are anti-islamic, neither side can claim any moral high-horse here

 

[daveinprague]

Its always seemed to me that the Far Right hate Jews. No matter what. Far left, hates the State of Israel, and not Jews. Every few years, theres attempts to muddy the waters by some people, for whatever reason.

 

[shingle]

Always thought Livingstone was a vile little man. Alan Sugar's right the guy's obsessed with Hitler, Holocaust and Jews

A bigot is a bigot is a bigot.

 

[Swillis]

So why dont pro- arabs do the same? Is it because the elected members prefer the arguments made by the pro-israel lobby, or are you insinuating there is some kind of semetic evil at work?.

Firstly you are a moron, who keeps accusing people of anti Semitism. Yet you do not even spell it properly.

Pro Arabs in America do not have the numbers, money, influence built up over a number of years. If you go against AIPAC you are going against their millions which means politically you are on very shaky ground. Israel are a nasty little country, but anyone saying so is open to accusations of being anti semitic. As proved by this thread.

 

[Steve Foster]

How delightful Hamas TV is, to be filming & showing this.

Disgusting


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-dressed-terrorists-acted-murdering-Jews.html

 

[Hillian1]

How delightful Hamas TV is, to be filming & showing this.

Disgusting


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-dressed-terrorists-acted-murdering-Jews.html

Totally agree.

Israel should bomb them.

 

[Pavilionaire]

Think you will find Livingstone said that Hitler was originally a supporter of Zionist ideals and the repatriation of Jews to Palestine, before going mad and killing 6 million Jews.

Thereby implying Hitler WASN'T mad prior to 1938.

I like Livingstone but his remarks are crass. It reminds me of when Big Ron made derogatory remarks about Marcel Desailly after 40 plus years in football and departed in disgrace 'post-haste'.

 

[Buzzer]

No matter what. Far left, hates the State of Israel, and not Jews.

Except, of course, those on the left who hate Jews and there's been plenty of reports over the last few years of these people. Tom Watson of the Labour Party says there's a problem, Lord Levy in the Labour Party says there's a problem, John Mann in the Labour Party says there's a problem, the Jewish Chronicle says there's a problem, the Chief Rabbi says there's a problem so I think it's naive to say that anti-semitism on the Left doesn't exist.

 

[Buzzer]

Think you will find Livingstone said that Hitler was originally a supporter of Zionist ideals and the repatriation of Jews to Palestine, before going mad and killing 6 million Jews. He then criticised the current Israeli government for smearing anyone that spoke out against them, branding them anti-Semitic, just like has now happened to Livingstone.

It is wrong when you can't criticise anyone for fear of being anti something!!!

Every serious historian that I've read on this says that Livingstone is distorting the evidence for his own aims. John Mann is correct when he says that Hitler's plans for the Jews was clear from Mein Kampf in the early 1920s: He wanted the world rid of them, end of story. I think it's incredibly dodgy to equate forcible ejection of Jews from Germany into Palestine the same as supporting a sovereign Jewish state. Hitler never wanted that and he was never a Zionist. It's ridiculous this is even being debated.