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Ken Livingstone Suspended
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nicko31
Well-known member
Confusion again between being anti-Israel and anti-Jew...
Buzzer
Languidly Clinical
- Oct 1, 2006
- 26,121
Corbyn's mates, Hamas and Hezbollah, are doing their best to achieve their aim of send the only country in the Middle East with even a semblance of democracy into oblivion. That shows a fair bit of willing, I'd say.
Luckily there is no crisis at all in the Labour Party over anti-Semitism and it probably just comes from those nervous about the party at a local level....whatever that is supposed to mean.
Plastic-Fantastic
Member
Comeuppance? That sounds pretty ****ing sinister.
And you wonder why people get anti israel and anti jew confused....
I presume as you hate bullies so much, you are equally angry about Syria, Sudan, Eygyt, Iran etc?
No? Thought not...
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Ernest
Stupid IDIOT
Antisemitism exists and must be exposed and fought against in the same way as other forms of racism by all who are concerned with combating racism and fascism.
Antisemitism and anti-Zionism are not the same. Zionism is a political ideology which has always been contested within Jewish life since it emerged in 1897, and it is entirely legitimate for non-Jews as well as Jews to express opinions about it, whether positive or negative. Not all Jews are Zionists. Not all Zionists are Jews.
Criticism of Israeli government policy and Israeli state actions against the Palestinians is not antisemitism. Those who conflate criticism of Israeli policy with antisemitism, whether they are supporters or opponents of Israeli policy, are actually helping the antisemites. We reject any attempt, from whichever quarter, to place legitimate criticism of Israeli policy out of bounds.
Accusations of antisemitism are currently being weaponised to attack the Jeremy Corbyn-led Labour party with claims that Labour has a “problem” of antisemitism. This is despite Corbyn’s longstanding record of actively opposing fascism and all forms of racism, and being a firm a supporter of the rights of refugees and of human rights globally.
A very small number of such cases seem to be real instances of antisemitism. Others represent genuine criticism of Israeli policy and support for Palestinian rights, but expressed in clumsy and ambiguous language, which may unknowingly cross a line into antisemitism. Further cases are simply forthright expressions of support for Palestinian rights, which condemn Israeli government policy and aspects of Zionist ideology, and have nothing whatsoever to do with antisemitism.
The accusations do not refer to antisemitic actions but usually to comments, often made on social media, long before Jeremy Corbyn won the Labour leadership. Those making the charges now, did not see fit to bring them up at the time, under previous Labour leaders, but are using them now, just before mayoral and local elections, when they believe they can inflict most damage on the Labour Party led by Jeremy Corbyn.
The attack is coming from four main sources, who share agendas: to undermine Jeremy Corbyn as leader of Labour; to defend Israeli government policy from attack, however unjust, racist and harmful towards the Palestinian people; and to discredit those who make legitimate criticisms of Israeli policy or Zionism as a political ideology. As anti-racist and anti-fascist Jews who are also campaigning for peace with justice between Israelis and Palestinians, we entirely reject these cynical agendas that are being expressed by:
• The Conservative Party
• Conservative-supporting media in Britain and pro-Zionist Israeli media sources
• Right-wing and pro-Zionist elements claiming to speak on behalf of the Jewish community
• Opponents of Jeremy Corbyn within the Labour party.
The Jewish Socialists’ Group recognises that ordinary Jewish people are rightly concerned and fearful about instances of antisemitism. We share their concerns and a have a proud and consistent record of challenging and campaigning against antisemitism. But we will not support those making false accusations for cynical political motives, including the Conservative Party, who are running a racist campaign against Sadiq Khan, and whose leader David Cameron has referred to desperate refugees, as “a swarm” and “a bunch of migrants”. The Conservative Party demonstrated their contempt for Lord Dubs, a Jewish refugee from Nazism, when they voted down en masse an amendment a few days ago to allow 3,000 child refugees into Britain while Labour, led by Jeremy Corbyn, gave total support to Lord Dubs and his amendment.
The Jewish Socialists’ Group sees the current fearmongering about antisemitism in the Labour Party for what it is – a conscious and concerted effort by right-wing political forces to undermine the growing support among Jews and non-Jews alike for the Labour Party leadership of Jeremy Corbyn, and a measure of the desperation of his opponents.
We stand against antisemitism, against racism and fascism and in support of refugees. We stand for free speech and open debate on Israel, Palestine and Zionism.
Antisemitism and anti-Zionism are not the same. Zionism is a political ideology which has always been contested within Jewish life since it emerged in 1897, and it is entirely legitimate for non-Jews as well as Jews to express opinions about it, whether positive or negative. Not all Jews are Zionists. Not all Zionists are Jews.
Criticism of Israeli government policy and Israeli state actions against the Palestinians is not antisemitism. Those who conflate criticism of Israeli policy with antisemitism, whether they are supporters or opponents of Israeli policy, are actually helping the antisemites. We reject any attempt, from whichever quarter, to place legitimate criticism of Israeli policy out of bounds.
Accusations of antisemitism are currently being weaponised to attack the Jeremy Corbyn-led Labour party with claims that Labour has a “problem” of antisemitism. This is despite Corbyn’s longstanding record of actively opposing fascism and all forms of racism, and being a firm a supporter of the rights of refugees and of human rights globally.
A very small number of such cases seem to be real instances of antisemitism. Others represent genuine criticism of Israeli policy and support for Palestinian rights, but expressed in clumsy and ambiguous language, which may unknowingly cross a line into antisemitism. Further cases are simply forthright expressions of support for Palestinian rights, which condemn Israeli government policy and aspects of Zionist ideology, and have nothing whatsoever to do with antisemitism.
The accusations do not refer to antisemitic actions but usually to comments, often made on social media, long before Jeremy Corbyn won the Labour leadership. Those making the charges now, did not see fit to bring them up at the time, under previous Labour leaders, but are using them now, just before mayoral and local elections, when they believe they can inflict most damage on the Labour Party led by Jeremy Corbyn.
The attack is coming from four main sources, who share agendas: to undermine Jeremy Corbyn as leader of Labour; to defend Israeli government policy from attack, however unjust, racist and harmful towards the Palestinian people; and to discredit those who make legitimate criticisms of Israeli policy or Zionism as a political ideology. As anti-racist and anti-fascist Jews who are also campaigning for peace with justice between Israelis and Palestinians, we entirely reject these cynical agendas that are being expressed by:
• The Conservative Party
• Conservative-supporting media in Britain and pro-Zionist Israeli media sources
• Right-wing and pro-Zionist elements claiming to speak on behalf of the Jewish community
• Opponents of Jeremy Corbyn within the Labour party.
The Jewish Socialists’ Group recognises that ordinary Jewish people are rightly concerned and fearful about instances of antisemitism. We share their concerns and a have a proud and consistent record of challenging and campaigning against antisemitism. But we will not support those making false accusations for cynical political motives, including the Conservative Party, who are running a racist campaign against Sadiq Khan, and whose leader David Cameron has referred to desperate refugees, as “a swarm” and “a bunch of migrants”. The Conservative Party demonstrated their contempt for Lord Dubs, a Jewish refugee from Nazism, when they voted down en masse an amendment a few days ago to allow 3,000 child refugees into Britain while Labour, led by Jeremy Corbyn, gave total support to Lord Dubs and his amendment.
The Jewish Socialists’ Group sees the current fearmongering about antisemitism in the Labour Party for what it is – a conscious and concerted effort by right-wing political forces to undermine the growing support among Jews and non-Jews alike for the Labour Party leadership of Jeremy Corbyn, and a measure of the desperation of his opponents.
We stand against antisemitism, against racism and fascism and in support of refugees. We stand for free speech and open debate on Israel, Palestine and Zionism.
Bad week for labour and their anti- Semitsm. Disgraceful really.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36148704
Raleigh Chopper
New member
In the long run this will work out well for Labour.
Ken Livingstone is far more dangerous to the Labour Party than Corbyn or any of the others so I am pleased he has been suspended and I hope he does not come back.
I think that the general public despise Livingstone, I do.
This is a passing story that will soon be forgotten especially with the EU debate so strong, I also believe that many people do not like Israel either so will not be over bothered about some stupid Livingstone remarks pumped up by the press and social media.
Cameron & co pressing on with there anti poor and academies is much more in people's minds.
So good riddence to Livingstone.
Always nice to see Bozza and Wellthickwoody pop their head above the parapet on another Labour debate and talking about the past, cocks both of you.
Ken Livingstone is far more dangerous to the Labour Party than Corbyn or any of the others so I am pleased he has been suspended and I hope he does not come back.
I think that the general public despise Livingstone, I do.
This is a passing story that will soon be forgotten especially with the EU debate so strong, I also believe that many people do not like Israel either so will not be over bothered about some stupid Livingstone remarks pumped up by the press and social media.
Cameron & co pressing on with there anti poor and academies is much more in people's minds.
So good riddence to Livingstone.
Always nice to see Bozza and Wellthickwoody pop their head above the parapet on another Labour debate and talking about the past, cocks both of you.
alfredmizen
Banned
- Mar 11, 2015
- 6,342
Unfortunately i do , have a look at the jewish poulation before the balfour declaration.
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There are millions of ex Labour voters like myself who now vote UKIP, who will never vote for Labour again. They seem to have become even more extreme and it's not just very nice.
He was being hounded by a reporter when he was not on official business and told the reporter to clear off. The reporter who Just happened to be Jewish replied that he was only doing his job. Livingstone said that's what the nazi concentration camp guards said. I,ve probably said things like that a thousand times....... So f ucking what. Doesn't make you anti Semitic.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
We have two Israeli's in our team. One is Jewish and the other a Muslim, who get on very well. If only that happened across the world.
I have never understood anti Semitism. I can see no reason why Jewish people should be singled out for hate or why they should be criticised because of their faith, their way of life or their heritage. I find some of the comments written on this site disturbing. Any form of racism, including anti Semitism, is wrong and taking a 'yeah but' or 'that's ok he/she didn't really mean it like that' approach is not being open and broad minded, it is defending the indefensible. I don't think anyone on this site would defend or belittle similar interviews/statements/views if the subject was homophobia, racism linked to the colour of a person's skin or sexism (either way). Somehow Jews are treated differently.
Please, I am not suggesting that anyone on this site is an anti semite (and I certainly don't think this is a party political issue either). I just think a little reflection on how we all think about and respond on this subject wouldn't go amiss.
Please, I am not suggesting that anyone on this site is an anti semite (and I certainly don't think this is a party political issue either). I just think a little reflection on how we all think about and respond on this subject wouldn't go amiss.
- Aug 7, 2003
- 8,076
It's all very sad. The vast majority of people would like to live in peace and co-exist with their neighbours, who in their right mind wouldn't? Unfortunately the fanatic minorities and self serving politicians will make sure it never happens.
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pastafarian
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Hampster Gull
Well-known member
- Dec 22, 2010
- 13,465
We keep seeing wheels fly off the Corbyn Hard Left Labour Bus but its still crawling along. At some point this will all blow up, just a matter of time
Buzzer
Languidly Clinical
- Oct 1, 2006
- 26,121
Because Jews have always been equated with capitalism, the two go hand in hand for a lot of people. It's the conclusion I've come to, to explain the obsessive campaign against Israel by those on the left and far-right ignoring completely Jordan's complicity in the oppression of Palestinians and ignoring every other Middle Eastern state with their racist dictators, their rape culture, their barbarism and despotic rule, their support of terrorist organisations hell-bent on destroying Western liberal culture. But you're right, it shouldn't be an issue, not in the 21st century, not after World War Two.
What gets me is the perverse pleasure that Livingstone has in mentioning Hitler and the Nazis whenever discussing Israel. He knows it winds Jewish people up, he knows how offensive it is, how historically loaded even the name 'Nazi' is. He knows what he's doing and it's just about the lowest of low blows.
Yes of course it sounds sinister, what are you getting at exactly?
Don't ask me something then answer for me. No I do not like Syria etc, then again I wouldnt be proud to be an advocate for a nasty bully. Which by your own admission you are. Luckily for Israel there are many Jews in prominent positions around the world, so Israel will always have a level of protection and others turning a blind eye. Muslim countries do not have that.