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ditchy

a man with a sound track record as a source of qua
Jul 8, 2003
5,251
brighton
This is what pisses me off about Leeds and Ken Bates

Leeds leave creditors clinging to wreckage
Ken Bates' dealings - including the non-payment of St John Ambulance, and a proposed penny to pound rescue plan - have angered creditors.
David ConnMay 29, 2007 11:59 PM
Amid the wreckage of Leeds United, in the appalling, familiar list of those left unpaid by another bust football club, sits an organisation which does not even charge for its services, just asks clubs to contribute towards expenses. Nevertheless, there it is again, in the £35m mountain of debts which Ken Bates's Leeds is not paying: St John Ambulance, owed £165.

At what is expected to be an angry creditors' meeting on Friday, the administrator, Richard Fleming of accountants KPMG, is proposing that Leeds be sold to a new company headed by Bates, in return for a payment of only 1p for every pound of debt. That proposal is backed by the three anonymously-owned, offshore companies who claim collectively to be owed £17.78m. If it is passed, St John Ambulance will be given £1.65 and will still be expected to turn up again next season to tend to the Elland Road injured.

Other organisations which will suffer the same fate, contained in a tightly-typed, 25-page list of creditors produced by the administrators, include suppliers of all the basics to a football club: local schools, hospitals and universities, the gas, electricity and water utilities, and Leeds City Council's leisure department, which is owed £124,121.

The speed with which the deal to sell the club was done, and questions about the identity and motives of the offshore companies, have infuriated many people in Leeds, a city now deeply embarrassed by the car-crash plight of its only professional football club. Bates, despite being a belligerent and unabashed chairman, is not even officially a shareholder; Leeds United is owned by the Forward Sports Fund, registered at a Cayman Islands PO box, with a Swiss-based company Chateau Fiduciaire named as its director. Bates's solicitor, Mark Taylor, has described Bates as Forward's "UK representative", the closest Bates comes to ownership of the club.

On May 4, the same day that Leeds were placed in administration, Fleming announced the deal to sell the club for 1p in the £1 to a new company, of which Bates and Taylor are directors, again owned by the Forward Sport Fund. It will have to pay what are known as "football creditors" - players and other clubs owed money - in full if the club is to be allowed to compete in League One next season, but all other debts will be all but wiped out.

Forward, according to club records cited in the administrators' report, paid £4.5m to take over Leeds in January 2005 from the previous owners, a group of local businessmen chaired by the insolvency accountant, Gerald Krasner. Forward now claims it is owed £2.419m, loaned in the failed attempt to keep the ailing club in business.

One of the two other offshore companies, Krato Trust, registered at a PO box in Charlestown, Nevis in the West Indies, claims to be owed £2.5m, having lent the club £2.25m between December 2005 and June 2006. Astor Investment Holdings, registered at a PO box in the British Virgin Islands, with an office in another tax haven, Guernsey, claims to be owed £12,839,309, having loaned the club £11,285,269 between August 2005 and October last year.

Both Krato and Astor Investment have told the administrator they have no connection to Bates, Forward Sports Fund or any other director of Leeds. Fleming told me his firm had made "fairly extensive inquiries" to confirm there was no legal connection between them and said, in fact, the owners of Astor were unknown.

Krato and Astor have stated that they have no connection with Forward or Bates. Nevertheless they have agreed to the proposal to sell the club to Forward for 1p in the pound, even agreeing to reduce the amount they will receive. Astor has agreed to write off half its claim if creditors approve the sale, while Krato has agreed to accept nothing at all.

Asked why the two anonymously-owned offshore entities should agree so dramatically to write off millions of pounds put into Leeds, in return for a sale to a new company in which they state they have no interest, Fleming said: "At the time we agreed it, there were no other offers. Maybe they had football in their hearts and wanted the club to survive."

The proposals need 75% of creditors to agree, so the offshore companies can block any alternative because their debts amount to 45% of the total. However, the transfer of the club is not expected to proceed without a storm. Several creditors have said they intend to challenge the administrator, demanding to know who is behind Astor and Krato to see proof they are not connected to Bates, and ask for solid evidence of the money the offshore trusts claim to have put in. Krasner, the former chairman, has offered to represent creditors free of charge to challenge the sale to Forward for what he describes as: "A derisory offer to creditors, people who have supported Leeds through thick and thin."

After a season in which Leeds were relegated, often watched by a depressed, half-full Elland Road where adult ticket prices averaged about £35, there is not a great popular appetite for Bates retaining control. Rick Duniec, chair of the Leeds United Supporters Trust, says:"Our main concern is to see our club restored to health, and it seems quite a widespread opinion that people want a change to more local ownership."

Leeds, a city which has been thriving economically, still has no major venue capable of hosting concerts and Elland Road has long seemed an obvious site for development, especially if it had a thriving modern football club at its heart. United's debt-laden collapse since the team reached the 2001 Champions League semi-final is infamous enough, but the detail of the last three years, chronicled in the administrator's report, still makes shocking reading.

Krasner and his consortium took over in March 2004, with £95.5m of the debts taken on by the former chairman, Peter Ridsdale, and his board written off. Krasner's consortium sold Paul Robinson, Alan Smith, James Milner, Mark Viduka, Elland Road, the Thorpe Arch training ground and, for £5m, an option to develop Elland Road, but still could not stem the club's losses.

In January 2005, with the Inland Revenue pressing for payment of £1.2m, the consortium sold the club to the Forward Sports Fund. Bates became the chairman and the offshore companies put their millions in, yet despite reaching the play-off final in 2006, selling Rob Hulse and Matthew Kilgallon, and receiving £4m compensation from Chelsea for two youth players, Tom Taiwo and Michael Woods, Leeds continued to haemorrhage money. The administrator's report does not make clear why that happened. Creditors piled up and last month HM Revenue and Customs issued a winding-up petition. Leeds owe almost £7m in unpaid tax and VAT.

It will be a surprise if the taxman accepts 1p in the pound, and with ordinary creditors likely to challenge too, the club's destiny appears to lie with the decision on Friday of two opaque funds, registered in the West Indies and BVI.

St John Ambulance, though, is unlikely to involve itself in any rows. The charity has tended not to make a fuss and avoided public statements, as it has been left unpaid, time and again, by football in its boom time.

Money owed

£631,595

Wages still owed to several former players including Michael Ricketts, Paul Butler, Eirik Bakke, Steve Stone and Jermaine Wright

£216,667

Money still owed to Danny Mills, who last played a competitive match for Leeds in May 2003

£3,839

Owed to New Burley Window Cleaners

£46,604

Owed to Leeds Metropolitan University

£2,900

Owed to Boo's Disco of Bramhope in Leeds for the hiring of mobile discos

£8,997

Owed to the West Yorkshire Ambulance Service
 






Superphil

Dismember
Jul 7, 2003
25,680
In a pile of football shirts
Perhaps away fans should consider boycotting Elland Road next season, as Bates knows (or thinks), there will always be a healthy away following at Leeds, if we all boycott, he'll be out of pocket, and might just realise that fans are there to be respected, not abused by the guardians of their football clubs.

As it is I would imagine that many Leeds fans will not be attending home games next season due to Bates and the prices for tickets.

I know it has f*** all to do with us, as away fans, but the decent Leeds fans are being shafted, in a way that we are all too familiar with. And I would love to see Bates fail, he is as bad for football as Wembley National Stadium Limited and the FA is.
 


Gwylan

Well-known member
Jul 5, 2003
31,836
Uffern
A friend of mine is a lawyer and a Leeds season ticket holder. I think she's going to the creditors' meeting, I'm going to be very interested to hear what she has to say about it.

She reckons that, at first glance, it smells to high heaven but, being a lawyer, is very guarded in what she says without knowing the details,
 


Icy Gull

Back on the rollercoaster
Jul 5, 2003
72,015
How a deal can be structured to leave Bates in control beggars believe. Surely a deal can be struck that leaves someone with at least shred of credibilty in control?
 




ditchy

a man with a sound track record as a source of qua
Jul 8, 2003
5,251
brighton
Gwylan said:
A friend of mine is a lawyer and a Leeds season ticket holder. I think she's going to the creditors' meeting, I'm going to be very interested to hear what she has to say about it.

She reckons that, at first glance, it smells to high heaven but, being a lawyer, is very guarded in what she says without knowing the details,

Keep us intouch G
 


Northstander

Well-known member
Oct 13, 2003
14,031
Let's nt forget here, Chelsea were in Dire Straits until Mr Abramovich came to the rescue....to all those genuine Leeds Fans...get rid and quick imho!!!

:nono:
 






hans kraay fan club

The voice of reason.
Helpful Moderator
Mar 16, 2005
62,769
Chandlers Ford
Doesn't the FA have this 'Fit and Proper' persons check these days, with regard to who owns a club. How can a club be sold to a trust, whose 'ownership is unclear', without these checks being passed?
 


They had huge income streams, sold players for squillions and have still managed to find themselves staring the ass end of football in the sphincter. I have no sympathy for them at all.

If I was one of their creditors I'd tell them that they can f*** right off if they expect me to accept 1p in the pound. I'd want as much as I could get out of them because Leeds' obviously don't care who they hurt financially.


Time they realised that they are not a big club anymore and they should plan for the future properly rather than the shitty method they've chosen.
 






ditchy

a man with a sound track record as a source of qua
Jul 8, 2003
5,251
brighton
adrian29uk said:
You are looking at the future situation for a lot of premiership clubs.

I dont think so as the income streams of established clubs is strong .The only way that will happen is if an over ambitious club rolls the dice as leeds did earlier .Most clubs now in Premship if in a hint of trouble would be snapped up by a willing investor ala Ray Ranson or some rich american tycoon or consortium
 


severnside gull

Well-known member
May 16, 2007
24,827
By the seaside in West Somerset
Bates is such an arrogant bastard who seriously believes he is the only way forward for Leeds (much as he did for Chelsea and look how badly theyve done since he left) but with a couple of viable bids in the wings if the creditors block this disgraceful "offer" maybe it can be turned round:flameboun
 


Caravan Club

New member
Jul 28, 2004
84
Tunbridge Wellsb
I am currently reading 'Broken Dreams' - after reading chapter 4 about Ken Bates how anyone can let this bloke near a business let alone a football club is completely beyond me
 




Starry

Captain Of The Crew
Oct 10, 2004
6,733
Superphil said:

As it is I would imagine that many Leeds fans will not be attending home games next season due to Bates and the prices for tickets.


the prices have been reduced, by £100 each for my adult ticket. £16.30 a game. really can't complain.

we'll be at the creditors meeting, we're standing to lose a fair chunk of money. we met with our own insolvency expert at the weekend who is representing a significant sum of the value vote on friday. as it stand right now bates does not have enough of the vote and two other parties have shown proof of funds, one has confirmed a bid, the other is in process, kpmg can recommend whatever deal they like, we don't have to vote yes to it.

however, on june 27th the winding up order will be heard in bristol court. the club will be wound up. we are not sure if a deal is not reached this week then can push another meeting through and get the votes done before the court date.

don't believe everything written on that article above, nor everything printed elsewhere, a lot is written by people or leaked by those with their own agendas.

paddy
 


Dave the OAP

Well-known member
Jul 5, 2003
46,762
at home
Starry said:
the prices have been reduced, by £100 each for my adult ticket. £16.30 a game. really can't complain.

we'll be at the creditors meeting, we're standing to lose a fair chunk of money. we met with our own insolvency expert at the weekend who is representing a significant sum of the value vote on friday. as it stand right now bates does not have enough of the vote and two other parties have shown proof of funds, one has confirmed a bid, the other is in process, kpmg can recommend whatever deal they like, we don't have to vote yes to it.

however, on june 27th the winding up order will be heard in bristol court. the club will be wound up. we are not sure if a deal is not reached this week then can push another meeting through and get the votes done before the court date.

don't believe everything written on that article above, nor everything printed elsewhere, a lot is written by people or leaked by those with their own agendas.

paddy

do you think its right that Yorkshire ambulance service are only getting 1 p in the pound for the service they provide?
 


Starry

Captain Of The Crew
Oct 10, 2004
6,733
Dave the Gaffer said:
do you think its right that Yorkshire ambulance service are only getting 1 p in the pound for the service they provide?

i don't think anyone on the creditors list deserves just a penny per pound.

paddy
 


Speaking as someone who has been on the wrong end of a CVA - we finally recieved 6p in the pound out of 100K :angry: :angry:

It is and always will be a stich up if the circumstances are right. The whole system is wrong as the only people to come out smiling are the insolvency administrators (their fees have to be agreed before ANYTHING else) and the smug bastards who walk away from huge piles of debt.

I hope justice is seen to be done but suspect as usual the wrong result happens :censored:
 




Starry

Captain Of The Crew
Oct 10, 2004
6,733
we got 17p/£1 when the plc folded which was rough but we didn't have as much money involved as this time.

kpmg are on £294 an hour just man power, every letter, phone call, meeting is an extra charge.
 


Dave the OAP

Well-known member
Jul 5, 2003
46,762
at home
Starry said:
we got 17p/£1 when the plc folded which was rough but we didn't have as much money involved as this time.

kpmg are on £294 an hour just man power, every letter, phone call, meeting is an extra charge.

please tell me to mind my fecking own buisiness, but do I take it you are serious investors in leeds?

if so, did you not feel a bit worried when you were ejected from the ground for being a tad tipsy?
 


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