Dick Swiveller
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Problem being, you accused one of the most right wing posters on here of having left wing politics
[News] Kabul Explosion Being Reported Near Airport
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Problem being, you accused one of the most right wing posters on here of having left wing politics
we will see but its in tallibans interest to say all this and gives them greater appeal worldwide.
Will become evident once they are in and settled
Deportivo Seagull
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Politically it’s very embarrassing for the Taliban. They made a big show of safe passage until the end of the month and have failed.
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daveinprague
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BBC reported TalIban guards among the vicrims so imagine this is IS
Tyrone Biggums
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Not at all.
They are opposed to each other and are sworn enemies.
This will be the new conflict for the Afghanis.
Insel affe
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I honestly do not disagree with any of that, The American leaders have all been playing a game, from Obama to Trump and now Biden, a whole chain of failure each setting the next encumbertant to fail, I do blame Bush for starting this whole thing rolling, he was was pressurised by certain figures within whitehouse and arms industry to go in the first place, he was weak and so was Blair. They both set everyone else up to fail, disgusting the amount of lives lost for nothing more than dollars, pounds and hope.
The benefits that did come, as you say such as women's rights etc, were always unfortunately going to fail long term.
That might sound harsh, but until the majority in a muslim country want that, it will always fail, it is harsh reality that the west cannot impose it's ideology, however good the intentions are. That may sound as though I do not care or I agree or think any worse of a muslim country or people. I think it is very sad that a religion can hold people back, much like the church did for centuries in the west and still does in parts of the world.
I wish we could all move forward in all aspects of life, religion needs to be ditched or brought up to speed with reality.
just my stupid opinion though, no malice or ill thoughts or prejudices intended.
daveinprague
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This is like the end of the Vietnam war. We spent 2 weeks seeing hundreds of bodies in the sea whilst in the Da Nang area.
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Nobby Cybergoat
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Yes, the insurgents will have to learn counter insurgency.
At least they have around 180k incredibly good guns.
The misery of the ordinary will continue for the foreseeable
Raleigh Chopper
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Don't people listen to the news properly.
The Taliban are bad enough but this is an enemy of The Taliban (Isis) who think the Taliban are too SOFT.
The Taliban could have done this if they wanted to.
They are attacking western forces and Taliban at the airport and innocent people have been caught up in it as they are unprotected.
I still wonder what happened to The trained Afghan army. I wonder if it was a Muslim on Muslim situation, but the army although trained were still left exposed as the yanks retreated, they had no air cover, they would have fought alongside the yanks and British but not alone, but yes they could have done better than they did.
Trump started this but Biden could have stopped it, they have left thousands of innocent people behind who will now get slaughtered with them all together in one place like a huge target.
They should have got everyone that worked for us, and British/American passport holders out before running away, I cannot believe they are going to leave some behind.
After all these years America has finally dragged us into their hopeless war machine and we are complicit 8n another Vietnam situation, largely through no fault of our own, but we are not innocent in all this.
We were left exposed by America's far too quick retreat.
I don't know why people are blaming Bush and Blair but get involved in American war and this is what you get, Biden stuck two fingers up to Johnson but then America only see us as a poodle anyway.
It was right go in 20 years ago and we turned around a country in peril, freeing women, girls go to school etc, we could not stay there forever but to just turn and run away is disgusting to put it mildly.
I do not trust anything that comes out of our Prime Ministers mouth, or the ministers, I do not believe that we have got out anywhere near the amount of people that it is our obligation to help.
I would have totally agreed with getting everybody out followed by a gradual withdrawal, give their army all that they need and then leave.
The Taliban are bad enough but this is an enemy of The Taliban (Isis) who think the Taliban are too SOFT.
The Taliban could have done this if they wanted to.
They are attacking western forces and Taliban at the airport and innocent people have been caught up in it as they are unprotected.
I still wonder what happened to The trained Afghan army. I wonder if it was a Muslim on Muslim situation, but the army although trained were still left exposed as the yanks retreated, they had no air cover, they would have fought alongside the yanks and British but not alone, but yes they could have done better than they did.
Trump started this but Biden could have stopped it, they have left thousands of innocent people behind who will now get slaughtered with them all together in one place like a huge target.
They should have got everyone that worked for us, and British/American passport holders out before running away, I cannot believe they are going to leave some behind.
After all these years America has finally dragged us into their hopeless war machine and we are complicit 8n another Vietnam situation, largely through no fault of our own, but we are not innocent in all this.
We were left exposed by America's far too quick retreat.
I don't know why people are blaming Bush and Blair but get involved in American war and this is what you get, Biden stuck two fingers up to Johnson but then America only see us as a poodle anyway.
It was right go in 20 years ago and we turned around a country in peril, freeing women, girls go to school etc, we could not stay there forever but to just turn and run away is disgusting to put it mildly.
I do not trust anything that comes out of our Prime Ministers mouth, or the ministers, I do not believe that we have got out anywhere near the amount of people that it is our obligation to help.
I would have totally agreed with getting everybody out followed by a gradual withdrawal, give their army all that they need and then leave.
Tom Hark Preston Park
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My money's on US spooks. Timing's just too perfect. Western media all warn in inison about it all morning (UK time) then surprise surprise it comes to pass an hour or two later. Sorry, but I I just don't believe in that uncannily accurate level of prediction. If you ever wanted an excuse to clear the perimeter of an airport under siege on the other hand...
Dick Swiveller
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Maybe I have you mixed up with someone else, in which case I apologise.
"most right wing".
Yes, that completely threw me as well. You are not someone I ever see in the Bear Pit or posting GB News nonsense. I think DS must be confused.
But, back on subject, surely Biden is just echoing Trump. America First Trump who said “The future doesn’t belong to the globalists, The future belongs to patriots.”
Like it or not Americans don't want their troops dying in a country they regard as a basket case, anymore than the Soviets eventually did.
Deportivo Seagull
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The withdrawal plans were in place before he took office ….. so no not all his fault but that doesn’t suit your trump love in. Neither have covered themselves in glory.
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Mellor 3 Ward 4
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China - yes - Soft power.
Russia - No - they've had their fingers bunt before - no appetite for (Military) involvement in Afghanistan in Moscow.
beorhthelm
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that was the policy, right up until the Afghan army evaporated. stop making that our fault, unless you want to see perpetual occupation which here you say you dont. they were given the training, the equipment, structure for logistics and administration setup. they abandoned it all in days. their air force buggered off to Uzbekistan ffs.
Tom Hark Preston Park
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You don't think that kind of dirty tricks shit happens? In the lead up to the immoral and illegal invasion of Iraq, some of the most vociferous and public advocates against same were smeared as paedos etc. Dr David Kelly got hung out to dry and - honest, guv - killed himself. Oh, and George Galloway's personal papers just happened to be found on the ground in the smouldering ruins lf one of Sadaam Hussain's many palaces. What's the chances of that, eh?
These people play dirty
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Leekbrookgull
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Does anyone have any genuine idea of how many armed service personal the UK has at Kabul airport ?
KeegansHairPiece
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You don't think that kind of dirty tricks shit happens? In the lead up to the immoral and illegal invasion of Iraq, some of the most vociferous and public advocates against same were smeared as paedos etc. Dr David Kelly got hung out to dry and - honest, guv - killed himself. Oh, and George Galloway's personal papers just happened to be found on the ground in the smouldering ruins lf one of Sadaam Hussain's many palaces. What's the chances of that, eh?
These people play dirty
You been watching too much Netflix or Amazon Prime? Bit of Sky Cinema chucked in maybe?