Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
In the 60s the paint was removed with nobody having a hissy fit.
I thought you might pipe up with something along those lines, and I don't agree with it to be honest. I'd most definitely prefer we produced and consumed more local goods to reduce movements around the world (it is utterly stupid that we are importing coal and steel to this country for instance), however the fact of the matter is we are being undercut by foreign nations who don't have as stringent controls as us - it is wrong headed for us to try to take the blame for what they are choosing to do.I agree that JSO’s tactics are not endearing their cause to many people but whataboutery is not the answer.
Nor is suggesting that the UK’s contribution to CC is ”negligible ”. That view belies a misunderstanding of the indirect impact the UK has on CC by virtue of our industrial/overseas development and trade. UK based consumption drives emissions across the Globe - nearly half of the UK carbon footprint is from emissions released overseas YET are not included in national emissions reporting or targeted by domestic climate change policy - for example:
- The UK exports around 60% of the over 2.5 million tonnes of plastic packaging waste it creates. Turkey is the main destination for this waste. British plastic waste is being dumped and burned in Turkey, causing “irreversible and shocking” environmental and human health impacts.
- China is the world’s leading nation in CO2 admissions and has the largest industrialised GDP (nearly 40% of China’s GPD is from value added industrial output) , yet nearly 20% of China’s GDP until recently was from exported manufactured goods bound for markets like the UK. Despite global economic conditions along with isolationist and protectionist policies suppressing the Chinese export market, the UK still imported nearly £60 billion worth of manufactured products to the UK last year - goods demanded by British consumers that contribute towards the carbon footprint caused by China’s productive industries.
- The UK investments with British taxpayer’s money in overseas fossil fuel companies in several African countries also contribute to emissions overseas, including £32.2m investment to build a power plant in Guinea that uses so-called Heavy Fuel Oil (HFO) which has been described as the “world’s dirtiest and most polluting” type of marine fuel - ( HFO has been banned for use in the Arctic by the UN )
The more that Britain deindustrialises and decarbonises domestic food, goods and services production, the more we rely on offshoring to meet domestic demands - climate policy and public perceptions of our responsibility based on purely domestic emissions doesn’t account for Britain’s global contribution to climate change through our carbon footprint overseas.
UK government under fire for investing overseas aid in fossil fuel firms
Taxpayer’s money also going to companies found to be flouting human rights in Kenya and DRC, says Commons committeewww.theguardian.com
I thought you might pipe up with something along those lines, and I don't agree with it to be honest. I'd most definitely prefer we produced and consumed more local goods to reduce movements around the world (it is utterly stupid that we are importing coal and steel to this country for instance), however the fact of the matter is we are being undercut by foreign nations who don't have as stringent controls as us - it is wrong headed for us to try to take the blame for what they are choosing to do.
Yes, we could also choose not to buy from them, but it would be at the cost of impoverishing our own economy, and it certainly wouldn't help theirs either.
I take a mild offence at being accused of whataboutery when I did no such thing, but that is your opinion, and you are allowed to express it.
No social media back then for people to post hissy fits.
Agreed about public utilities, although seeing how the government run the NHS doesn't fill me with hope re the water companies being publicly owned. We need to elect a competent government for that plan to work.This is such a side-show. There are far more troubling things for us to be concerned about as a nation than the UK's negligible contribution to climate change, like how we've allowed our public utilities to be owned and run down by private companies and foreign states; how we've allowed ourselves to be distracted by trivial and nonsensical culture wars; and how we seem unable to deal sensibly with illegal immigration, which does a disservice to those people who have taken the time and made the effort to come here through legitimate means and make positive contributions to our society.
I worry that the actions of JSO are counterproductive and may actually put people off doing the small things that they could do to help improve our environment.
No apologies necessary and - well, at least JSO‘s latest antics has got us all talkingI'm not trying to upset you @Zeberdi, I knew you had an interest in the subject from other posts you have made elsewhere, and a different take on it to me, so I was unsurprised when you commented on my post, which I fully accept you have the right to do. So I apologise if my choice of words were taken the wrong way.
You presumably do accept that every country, and indeed individual make their own choices about who they trade with and how they produce goods and services? Which is my point - we aren't forcing other countries to trade with us or anyone else, nor are we setting their climate policies for them, despite the fact that it can disadvantage us economically, and has stripped away out manufacturing base.
No I don't want to introduce illegal immigration, private ownership of utilities, or culture wars into the climate debate! Anybody should be able to see I was merely pointing out that those are examples of political issues that are likely more important to the general population of the UK than the climate and the JSO idiots.
We shouldn't do ourselves down as a nation on the climate issue, as it is plain to see with every EV on the road, every new solar panel installed, and wind farm erected, that we are heading in the right direction.
No apologies necessary and - well, at least JSO‘s latest antics has got us all talking
Honest question.... are you unaware of the raft of (very expensive) policy and legislation already in our laps that are the 'acts' that you are seeking?...
I am increasingly surprised by the tone of some of the comment here that is seemingly ignoring the many steps already taken and the already evolving transition towards 'zero' this and 'neutral' that..
You can't just flick a switch and turn off a century and a half of industrial and technological revolution, this move has to be a gradual process.
It absolutely should come down to cost,... this should be a managed move towards a technologically innovative set of solutions..... solutions that balance the sustainable economic picture with sustainable changes to the way we live, and pay to live.... but I suspect you already know that, but prefer to kiss the feet of an erratic Scandinavian former schoolgirl.But you can speed up the transition. Introduce critical changes and struct laws that protect the environment.
This should never come down to costs, it is our children’s and their children’s futures ffs.
Give the twats a criminal record, this can really do some damage...Every time this misinformation about “dye/powder which will wash away” comes up I am obliged to correct it.
The specialists who tend to the stones are saying the opposite.
Archaeologist Mike Pitts expressed his strong concern over the potential damage, and said that the megaliths were fenced off and guarded to protect their surfaces, which were entirely covered in prehistoric markings that haven't been fully analyzed. He also expressed concern about possible damage to the divers lichen patterns on the megalith surfaces.
Now I don’t think for a second they considered this, but if anything it makes it even worse and shows how irresponsible they are being by knowingly committing criminal acts without even an understanding of the outcome.
One of them already has a criminal record with numerous convictions, he was in prison in 2022. Career criminal.Give the twats a criminal record, this can really do some damage...
The potential for carnage was massive im not surprised the old bill have done something in advanceYou wont be saying that when your in a massive que because they have targeted the airport when you are off on your Hoilbobs !
I said earlier in the thread yesterday, a gartwick member of staff told me they have been warned to expect disruption all through the holiday period.
I will not be Fkn happy if it happens to me, feck em.