[News] Just Stop Oil

[Diablo]

Cutting through perimeter fencing to trespass cause damage at Airport, surely security should have been tighter.

However these two Girls no doubt were , Taking a day off from work ?? and must have been knackered after cycling from Brighton to Stanstead ??

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Let me think, my parents died around three years ago, the last thing I thought of doing in the run up to their funerals was to search out activist websites to see if they were advertising what protests they were about to carry out. For starters I would never of thought of the idea and equally I was too wrapped up in my parents deaths and the plans for the funeral to even have done so.

I think you also mention on another of your posts "it was only orange cornflour and would be easily washed off" - please see this statement from English Heritage :

"English Heritage said the orange paint had been removed using an air blower.

It told the BBC that if rain had come into contact with the powder, damage could have been significant.

The stones are covered in more than fifty different lichens, some of them rare. This meant brushing or washing the paint off was not possible."

I agree with JSO's aims but not their tactics in the same way that I agreed with the IRA's aims but not their tactics.

Why are they still calling cornflour, paint?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

You wont be saying that when your in a massive que because they have targeted the airport when you are off on your Hoilbobs !
I said earlier in the thread yesterday, a gartwick member of staff told me they have been warned to expect disruption all through the holiday period.

I will not be Fkn happy if it happens to me, feck em.

It’s a big stretch from targeting a private airfield to a major public airport.

Besides, it only takes a couple of drones!

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Why are they still calling cornflour, paint?

Does it really matter what it was/is called ? It's the fact that people are claiming it could "just wash away in the rain" when clearly it would have caused damage that is the issue. Regardless of the 'name' used for the substance. And to be fair, any product that changes the colour of something, whatever it is made of, is a paint/dye.

 

[Vicar!]

Cutting through perimeter fencing to trespass cause damage at Airport, surely security should have been tighter.

However these two Girls no doubt were , Taking a day off from work ?? and must have been knackered after cycling from Brighton to Stanstead ??

A friend of mine was a climate activist years ago. They broke into Biggin Hill and attached themselves to the engine of a light jet. They waited, and waited, and eventually, one of the back up team had to go and wake up (the soon-to-be job-seeking) guard. The fire brigade who had to use specialised tools to cut through the chains, thanked them for an entertaining morning. (They usually spend their day cutting bodies from cars so you see their point.)

 

[nicko31]

Apparently all sorted thank goodness

“English Heritage said the orange paint had been removed using an air blower.

It told the BBC that if rain had come into contact with the powder, damage could have been significant

The stones are covered in more than fifty different lichens, some of them rare. This meant brushing or washing the paint off was not possible.”

Longest day of the year tomorrow…already

The far greater threat to lichens in general is our changing climate.

On the subject of Stonehenge, assuming they get in I hope Labour cancel the ridiculous plan for the 2 billion quid tunnel

 

[Billy the Fish]

At least that's a better target! Stop having a pop at Stonehenge and actually go after polluters, etc.

Hopefully resulting in another conviction and some jail time

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Hopefully resulting in another conviction and some jail time

But but the government has cut back on prison officers and cell spaces.

 

[Sid and the Sharknados]

But but the government has cut back on prison officers and cell spaces.

On the plus side, shoving more criminals into fewer cells must reduce the carbon footprint per prisoner.

 

[Withdean South Stand]

It's a good point - what should the punishment be for this kind of civil disobedience? I don't think prison is appropriate but there are plenty of roads which need sweeping, plenty of rubbish to be collected from public areas and a lot of road signs covered in muck. It would make a lot of sense to me to punish people with public service.

 

[nicko31]

Hopefully resulting in another conviction and some jail time

Try getting a court hearing first, the Tories have destroyed our system

 

[jcdenton08]

It's a good point - what should the punishment be for this kind of civil disobedience? I don't think prison is appropriate but there are plenty of roads which need sweeping, plenty of rubbish to be collected from public areas and a lot of road signs covered in muck. It would make a lot of sense to me to punish people with public service.

I think a prison sentence is wholly appropriate. One of the offenders is a career criminal, who most recently spent time in prison in 2022 for similar offences. Unfortunately, he wasn’t rehabilitated and continues to carry out criminal offences. Perhaps more can be done to treat the underlying mental illness or addiction issues which contribute to his offending?

 

[Billy the Fish]

Try getting a court hearing first, the Tories have destroyed our system

Thanks for your cookie cutter answer (tories boooooooooo, hisssssssssss).

Just Stop Oil pair guilty over Crucible snooker protest

Eddie Whittingham and Margaret Reid are found guilty following a one-day trial in Sheffield.

www.bbc.com

Just Stop Oil: Protesters guilty aggravated trespass at Les Misérables show

Five protesters stormed the West End performance and brought the show to a halt on 5 October 2023.

www.bbc.co.uk

The courts have managed it with these criminals, hopefully they all enjoy their CS

 

[A mex eyecan]

It's a good point - what should the punishment be for this kind of civil disobedience? I don't think prison is appropriate but there are plenty of roads which need sweeping, plenty of rubbish to be collected from public areas and a lot of road signs covered in muck. It would make a lot of sense to me to punish people with public service.

how about graffiti removal? Every Friday and Saturday afternoon, say 14.00 until 22.00 for 6 months.

 

[Billy the Fish]

It's a good point - what should the punishment be for this kind of civil disobedience? I don't think prison is appropriate but there are plenty of roads which need sweeping, plenty of rubbish to be collected from public areas and a lot of road signs covered in muck. It would make a lot of sense to me to punish people with public service.

*criminal damage and aggrevated trespass

 

[Cheeky Monkey]

It's a good point - what should the punishment be for this kind of civil disobedience? I don't think prison is appropriate but there are plenty of roads which need sweeping, plenty of rubbish to be collected from public areas and a lot of road signs covered in muck. It would make a lot of sense to me to punish people with public service.

MBEs surely? For environmental services. CJ system needs to focus all efforts on MacDonalds dimbeciles who throw their junk food wrappers out of car windows, luzz them into hedges etc.

 

[Curious Orange]

This is such a side-show. There are far more troubling things for us to be concerned about as a nation than the UK's negligible contribution to climate change, like how we've allowed our public utilities to be owned and run down by private companies and foreign states; how we've allowed ourselves to be distracted by trivial and nonsensical culture wars; and how we seem unable to deal sensibly with illegal immigration, which does a disservice to those people who have taken the time and made the effort to come here through legitimate means and make positive contributions to our society.

I worry that the actions of JSO are counterproductive and may actually put people off doing the small things that they could do to help improve our environment.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Thanks for your cookie cutter answer (tories boooooooooo, hisssssssssss).

Just Stop Oil pair guilty over Crucible snooker protest

Eddie Whittingham and Margaret Reid are found guilty following a one-day trial in Sheffield.

www.bbc.com

Just Stop Oil: Protesters guilty aggravated trespass at Les Misérables show

Five protesters stormed the West End performance and brought the show to a halt on 5 October 2023.

www.bbc.co.uk

The courts have managed it with these criminals, hopefully they all enjoy their CS

So 50% of Magistrates Court closed and sold off is something to laugh at?


Booooo Hissss indeed

 

[sydney]

pathetic

 

[Zeberdi]

This is such a side-show. There are far more troubling things for us to be concerned about as a nation than the UK's negligible contribution to climate change, like how we've allowed our public utilities to be owned and run down by private companies and foreign states; how we've allowed ourselves to be distracted by trivial and nonsensical culture wars; and how we seem unable to deal sensibly with illegal immigration, which does a disservice to those people who have taken the time and made the effort to come here through legitimate means and make positive contributions to our society.

I worry that the actions of JSO are counterproductive and may actually put people off doing the small things that they could do to help improve our environment.

I agree that JSO’s tactics are not endearing their cause to many people but whataboutery is not the answer.

Nor is suggesting that the UK’s contribution to CC is ”negligible ”. That view belies a misunderstanding of the indirect impact the UK has on CC by virtue of our industrial/overseas development and trade. UK based consumption drives emissions across the Globe - nearly half of the UK carbon footprint is from emissions released overseas YET are not included in national emissions reporting or targeted by domestic climate change policy - for example:

• The UK exports around 60% of the over 2.5 million tonnes of plastic packaging waste it creates. Turkey is the main destination for this waste. British plastic waste is being dumped and burned in Turkey, causing “irreversible and shocking” environmental and human health impacts.

• China is the world’s leading nation in CO2 admissions and has the largest industrialised GDP (nearly 40% of China’s GPD is from value added industrial output) , yet nearly 20% of China’s GDP until recently was from exported manufactured goods bound for markets like the UK. Despite global economic conditions along with isolationist and protectionist policies suppressing the Chinese export market, the UK still imported nearly £60 billion worth of manufactured products to the UK last year - goods demanded by British consumers that contribute towards the carbon footprint caused by China’s productive industries.

• The UK investments with British taxpayer’s money in overseas fossil fuel companies in several African countries also contribute to emissions overseas, including £32.2m investment to build a power plant in Guinea that uses so-called Heavy Fuel Oil (HFO) which has been described as the “world’s dirtiest and most polluting” type of marine fuel - ( HFO has been banned for use in the Arctic by the UN )

The more that Britain deindustrialises and decarbonises domestic food, goods and services production, the more we rely on offshoring to meet domestic demands - climate policy and public perceptions of our responsibility based on purely domestic emissions doesn’t account for Britain’s global contribution to climate change through our carbon footprint overseas.

https://committees.parliament.uk/committee/52/environment-food-and-rural-affairs-committee/news/174191/mps-call-for-ban-on-all-plastic-waste-exports/#:~:text=The%20UK%20exports%20around%2060,main%20destination%20for%20this%20waste.

UK government under fire for investing overseas aid in fossil fuel firms

Taxpayer’s money also going to companies found to be flouting human rights in Kenya and DRC, says Commons committee

www.theguardian.com