[News] Just Stop Oil

[Wardy's twin]

Doesn't your first sentence point to the fact that they aren't getting their message across effectively so maybe they need to consider a different approach?

no its a reflection of the biased media saying to people you should be annoyed at people trying to save the planet.....

 

[Wardy's twin]

that's known, locals dont want onshore windfarms. the politicans will say they want them built, then in face of local hostility say no we wont after all, dropping legislation that will force it through. (see also home building.) easier to get offshore wind through and there is a steady flow of developments, but more costly and longer to build.

what isn't talked about is what we are willing to give up to maintain an oil and gas free world.

If there was no oil and gas would they still be so anti windfarm - no....

Regards second point , totally agree but it will never be discussed all the time people don't recognise the problem.

 

[Hamilton]

Don’t even know who he is - I’m sure some rich Tory oil type but that is too far. Attending uninvited is bad enough - wedding days should be private for those who are invited. Really doesn’t sit right.

I was all for reducing fossil fuels etc (which we are doing) but I’m now tempted to form ‘Use More Oil’ and get a group together. Won’t be hard to get members. Will hide behind the message (as it won’t make a difference anyway) and just try and cause as much disruption to JSO as possible

As the ex-Chancellor of the Exchequer he is responsible for the under investment in renewable energy. He is also a prominent influencer in the world of media and politics.

And Sheebo, the reduction of greenhouse gases is the most critical problem we face if we are to save the human race. Within the next 5 years you will look at your post and be amazed that you ever wrote it.

Sadly, the anti-JSO reaction that many of us have - and even though I support them, I have the same reactions - comes from our anger at our inability to do anything. JSO are doing something.

I know some people will point to protesters who prevent ambulances getting to destinations when protesters take action. This shouldn’t happen, but sadly, thousands are dying each day because of climate change. That’s not my view alone - it’s the view of the NHS and the W.H.O.

I get people’s reactions, but we seriously need to accept that if the people who lead us are going to take notice then we have to be prepared to have our lives disrupted and support those brave enough and committed enough to take on the fight.

 

[Machiavelli]

See above. Incentivise people with cheap energy bills and more would be for it. Apologies for oversized graphics and I haven't fact-checked the sources and graphs but I think this is accepted (just not publicised much) - renewables are much much cheaper. Yes the solar power cost I suspect is for USA which gets more sunshine than we do, but onshore wind is just as cheap. Shame the renewable energy companies don't have the cash reserves to "lobby" (probably bribe) our politicians.

Solar power got cheap. So why aren’t we using it more?

The cost of renewable energy, and solar in particular, has plummeted in the last decade. So why has there not been a green revolution?

www.popsci.com

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Why did renewables become so cheap so fast?

In most places power from new renewables is now cheaper than new fossil fuels.

ourworldindata.org

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Thanks for posting. FYI, onshore wind is now the cheapest form of electricity -- cheaper than both offshore and solar -- yet the legislation introduced by 'the greenest government ever' effectively prevents its development in the UK.

 

[Machiavelli]

Very interesting and fair debate I came across here.

You have an authoritarian personality, which is why you believe this drivel and claim that 'Tommy Robinson' has good ideas, yet you don't even know who arguably the most important figure in UK politics over the past decade is.

 

[jcdenton08]

I go to a hospital on a regular basis and haven’t been held up once.

You’re alright, Jack. What about those who are?

 

[Hamilton]

You’re alright, Jack. What about those who are?

15,000 deaths in Europe last year attributed to climate change.

More people are dying from climate change than from ambulances held up by protesters. And that number will increase.

We really do need to let people protest, and support them when they do.

Statement – Climate change is already killing us, but strong action now can prevent more deaths

November is a crucial month for climate change and health. Representatives and negotiators from all over the world are gathering in Sharm el-Sheikh, Egypt, at the 2022 United Nations Climate Change Conference (COP27) to build on prior agreements to urgently reduce greenhouse gas emissions...

www.who.int

 

[wellquickwoody]

I go to a hospital on a regular basis and haven’t been held up once.

So do I. Some visits are more important than others, you should not be so dismissive.

 

[Sheebo]

You have an authoritarian personality, which is why you believe this drivel and claim that 'Tommy Robinson' has good ideas, yet you don't even know who arguably the most important figure in UK politics over the past decade is.

Clearly you’re better than me - classic left patronising and belittling I didn’t say anything about believing anything yet you assumed. That is where you lost the argument - assumption - and assumption I have an authoritarian personality. And for that reason, we shan’t engage again.

 

[Sheebo]

As the ex-Chancellor of the Exchequer he is responsible for the under investment in renewable energy. He is also a prominent influencer in the world of media and politics.

And Sheebo, the reduction of greenhouse gases is the most critical problem we face if we are to save the human race. Within the next 5 years you will look at your post and be amazed that you ever wrote it.

Sadly, the anti-JSO reaction that many of us have - and even though I support them, I have the same reactions - comes from our anger at our inability to do anything. JSO are doing something.

I know some people will point to protesters who prevent ambulances getting to destinations when protesters take action. This shouldn’t happen, but sadly, thousands are dying each day because of climate change. That’s not my view alone - it’s the view of the NHS and the W.H.O.

I get people’s reactions, but we seriously need to accept that if the people who lead us are going to take notice then we have to be prepared to have our lives disrupted and support those brave enough and committed enough to take on the fight.

Thank you for a personable, balanced debate and opinion. Obviously my post was tongue in cheek. Again, I am all for change to preserve the climate - I’m not for the actions of these protestors. That’s just my opinion. But thank you for a dignified response .

 

[jcdenton08]

15,000 deaths in Europe last year attributed to climate change.

More people are dying from climate change than from ambulances held up by protesters. And that number will increase.

We really do need to let people protest, and support them when they do.

Statement – Climate change is already killing us, but strong action now can prevent more deaths

November is a crucial month for climate change and health. Representatives and negotiators from all over the world are gathering in Sharm el-Sheikh, Egypt, at the 2022 United Nations Climate Change Conference (COP27) to build on prior agreements to urgently reduce greenhouse gas emissions...

www.who.int

I am not denying climate change. I do what I can, recycle thoroughly and properly, drive a hybrid (although I don’t have a car at the moment), take public transport where possible, only have meat dinners maximum three times a week. In short, I am the poster child of doing what’s reasonable to expect for an average punter to do.

15,000 deaths caused by climate change, okay. It doesn’t mean that blocking ambulances is right. Surely you can see that? Just because a gunman kills 10 people before being subdued before they can kill 100, it’s still 10 lives lost not 90 saved.

It’s exactly viewpoints like this from the extremists that make you realise nothing will ever be good enough for the protestors. They don’t want “no new drilling”, they want a vegan paradise where everyone lives saintly lives according to their own sets of moral standards.

And this is why they are hated.

 

[Greg Bobkin]

Very interesting and fair debate I came across here.

I know it's not really the main point, but what an awful presenter/debate moderator!

 

[pb21]

They don’t want “no new drilling”, they want a vegan paradise where everyone lives saintly lives according to their own sets of moral standards.

And this is why they are hated.

No they don't, at least JSO don't, that's an extreme view in itself IMO.

I'm sure some, potentially many, people who protest for JSO want a vegan paradise, but not all and that's not what JSO want.

Either way seems a bit of an extreme reason to hate people?

 

[jcdenton08]

No they don't, at least JSO don't, that's an extreme view in itself IMO.

I'm sure some, potentially many, people who protest for JSO want a vegan paradise, but not all and that's not what JSO want.

Either way seems a bit of an extreme reason to hate people?

It’s not the people I hate, it’s the methods which are undermining a very serious business. This movement has one shot to catch the zeitgeist and win hearts and minds, and they’ve repeatedly shown that they don’t care about doing that - they simply want to be heard. Well, people are hearing them and not liking their messaging, but are sympathetic to the message.

Once again; https://yougov.co.uk/topics/science/survey-results/daily/2023/04/18/25178/1

Incidentally, there were five JSO protestors outside of Seaford Library - four students from Brighton Uni and an older gentleman. I got chatting to them - all five were vegans, and along with their JSO leaflets they were handing out vegan literature.

The two causes are hand in glove. They are asking people an awful lot in one go.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

You’re alright, Jack. What about those who are?

How many have been held up, apart from one reported in the press, which wasn't a blue light case?

 

[jcdenton08]

How many have been held up, apart from one reported in the press, which wasn't a blue light case?

I don’t have statistics on that, and the most likely witnesses would be JSO themselves and naturally they aren’t going to dob themselves in.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I don’t have statistics on that, and the most likely witnesses would be JSO themselves and naturally they aren’t going to dob themselves in.

Well, I'm not going to be a hypocrite and criticise them, when on at least three occasions, I have walked slowly along the road in a protest.
Before you say, it was planned. JSO make their locations public before they demonstrate.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Except for half the world it isn't summer innit.

Nearly a degree above the global average temperature for this time of year but sure, JSO are the problem.

Ermmmm.....that was my point.

The average temperature across the world ought to be constant acro2s the year I would have thought because for anywhere that is having summer, an equal amount of somewhere else is having winter. And so on.

So how come global temperature has a single annual cycle and a peak in our (northern hemisphere) summer? According to those data.

 

[drew]

no its a reflection of the biased media saying to people you should be annoyed at people trying to save the planet.....

Doesn't matter whether it's a biased media or the general public, my point is that, in the main, people are discussing the protests and not the science.

 

[keaton]

You’re alright, Jack. What about those who are?

Infinitely more likely to be held up by traffic. Let's ban cars