[News] Just Stop Oil

[pb21]

Subs and aircraft carriers are military applications which are heavily guarded as are large scale facilities like Sizewell. Imagine guarding 100's of these, wouldn't want one at the end of my road.

Pretty sure we wouldn't need 100s, the Rolls Royce design that the UK Government are basing initial studies on has an output of 470 MW, less than 100 would cover 100% of potential demand.

10 would double our current nuclear generation, any more I suspect wouldn't be viable anyway. However, solar, battery storage and wind can all add, plus gas for real peaks in demand.

 

[beorhthelm]

Subs and aircraft carriers are military applications which are heavily guarded as are large scale facilities like Sizewell. Imagine guarding 100's of these, wouldn't want one at the end of my road. Give me a wind turbine any day...

the obvious thing would be to site them on existing power stations, maybe a few at a major substations or industrial areas. not at the bottom of your road, unless you live near Dungeness or Drax. alternative is more wind turbines than most would care for (already hostility to them - no pleasing some), then come up with additional alternatives for when the wind doesn't blow.

 

[Goldstone Guy]

He blew it here when he said ‘I don’t care’ about China’s pollution though as for the Oxford Uni female - lord help us!

Anyone described as "morons", "cretins" and a "piece of trash" by Piers Morgan is doing something right as far as I'm concerned.

 

[worthingweird]

Just fek off...

 

[Goldstone Guy]

the obvious thing would be to site them on existing power stations, maybe a few at a major substations or industrial areas. not at the bottom of your road, unless you live near Dungeness or Drax. alternative is more wind turbines than most would care for (already hostility to them - no pleasing some), then come up with additional alternatives for when the wind doesn't blow.

Isn't one problem with nuclear power that the power stations take a long time (10-15 years) to set up and get going (and then they're also costly to decommission)? Might be wrong, I think I heard that from Dale Vince and I suppose he is a bit biased. Agree we should be looking at more nuclear for general energy security but we need stuff quicker. Onshore wind is the obvious thing - I think it's the cheapest form of energy now. The problem with it (apart from the NIMBYs) is storage and having a plan for still days.

I read something recently saying that we need to prepare for climate change (in addition to trying to prevent or limit it) and water security is probably the most important thing (although flooding might be a big issue in my opinion as well especially if there's sea level rises). So we need to make a lot more reservoirs. In theory, if you've got two connected reservoirs, one higher than the other, then energy can be stored this way and released as HEP when needed. I don't know how difficult this would be to do, but it would solve two problems at the same time. Don't know how much potential there is for wave and tidal energy - you'd think we'd be well suited to it. We need some sort of task force to look at this and come up with a strategy quickly. They'd need to be sensible and not corrupt, so you'd have to exclude most conservative MPs so it probably won't happen. Get Dale Vince on the case.

 

[BadFish]

Brilliant discussion on energy sources.

My two concerns with nuclear are the fact that it is non renewable and I am still not fully convinced on what is done with the nuclear waste - I need to read up on this if anyone cares to post a link about where we are at.

 

[deletebeepbeepbeep]

Isn't one problem with nuclear power that the power stations take a long time (10-15 years) to set up and get going (and then they're also costly to decommission)? Might be wrong, I think I heard that from Dale Vince and I suppose he is a bit biased. Agree we should be looking at more nuclear for general energy security but we need stuff quicker. Onshore wind is the obvious thing - I think it's the cheapest form of energy now. The problem with it (apart from the NIMBY's) is storage and having a plan for still days.

I read something recently saying that we need to prepare for climate change (in addition to trying to prevent or limit it) and water security is probably the most important thing (although flooding might be a big issue in my opinion as well especially if there's sea level rises). So we need to make a lot more reservoirs. In theory, if you've got two connected reservoirs, one higher than the other, then energy can be stored this way and released as HEP when needed. I don't know how difficult this would be to do, but it would solve two problems at the same time. Don't know how much potential there is for wave and tidal energy - you'd think we'd be well suited to it. We need some sort of task force to look at this and come up with a strategy quickly. They'd need to be sensible and not corrupt, so you'd have to exclude most conservative MPs so it probably won't happen. Get Dale Vince on the case.

Yeah I remember politicians 15 years ago saying Nuclear isn't an option because it takes too long. Shame they didn't start thinking about it more then.

 

[pastafarian]

It’s a myth that we couldn’t survive without fossil fuel.
We did so a couple of hundred years ago and we could revert back quickly.

The sole reason we don’t is that some very rich, very influential people would lose a lot of money.

If we want to survive as a species we are going to need to revert to a much simpler, much less materialistic way of life. We will have to at some point so we may as well do it while we still have a choice how it’s done.

Another bonus of banning fossil fuels would be reverting to pre-industrial age living, initial massive amount of deaths would be a bit of a shock but with the upside of a global population back to under a billion and a chance for natural land and ecosystems to flourish back and heal the planet.

 

[The Clamp]

Another bonus of banning fossil fuels would be reverting to pre-industrial age living, initial massive amount of deaths would be a bit of a shock but with the upside of a global population back to under a billion and a chance for natural land and ecosystems to flourish back and heal the planet.

Genuine question as I know there’ll be aspects I haven’t considered but where would the deaths come from?

 

[heathgate]

The only solution ultimately, with a growing population.. > 7 or 8 billion and climbing, is nuclear (fission) as the core supply supplemented by wind/solar.... technology for nuclear waste management has improved and is improving further steadily, so those concerns are subsiding gradually.... once nuclear fusion is pinned down, then the move from fission to fusion should be a natural progression.

 

[heathgate]

Genuine question as I know there’ll be aspects I haven’t considered but where would the deaths come from?

Starvation mostly,... Food sources will cease to produce due to lack of technical assistance of environment managed greenhouses and food preservation stores.

 

[rogersix]

Though interesting, when their stated modus operandi is to raise awareness, that they didn't 'interrupt' proceedings at the largest of recent global events.... Glasto.....

i don't think that you're understanding protests or protestors

 

[rogersix]

The only solution ultimately, with a growing population.. > 7 or 8 billion and climbing, is nuclear (fission) as the core supply supplemented by wind/solar.... technology for nuclear waste management has improved and is improving further steadily, so those concerns are subsiding gradually.... once nuclear fusion is pinned down, then the move from fission to fusion should be a natural progression.

are you familiar with the problems arising from fusion?

natural progression, eh?

 

[portlock seagull]

The only solution ultimately, with a growing population.. > 7 or 8 billion and climbing, is nuclear (fission) as the core supply supplemented by wind/solar.... technology for nuclear waste management has improved and is improving further steadily, so those concerns are subsiding gradually.... once nuclear fusion is pinned down, then the move from fission to fusion should be a natural progression.

What about the enormous risks of leaks, explosions, 1000s of years of radioactive waste and scarcity of locations? Not very sustainable. Not the solution IMO

 

[KZNSeagull]

Every roof in this country should be fitted with solar panels. Rather have that than loads of farmland disappearing.

 

[Stat Brother]

Every roof in this country should be fitted with solar panels. Rather have that than loads of farmland disappearing.

Imagine if every carpark was too?

 

[AstroSloth]

Just Stop Oil 'not responsible' for dousing George Osborne in confetti

A woman threw orange confetti at newlyweds George Osborne and Thea Rogers moments after they tired the knot at their ceremony in Bruton, Somerset, but Just Stop Oil says it wasn't responsible

www.mirror.co.uk

Oh wow look, Just Stop Oil do something that impacts the rich and politicians and nobody here is talking about it, seems like people only care when it impacts them.

 

[heathgate]

are you familiar with the problems arising from fusion?

natural progression, eh?

Yes, why do you ask?

 

[heathgate]

What about the enormous risks of leaks, explosions, 1000s of years of radioactive waste and scarcity of locations? Not very sustainable. Not the solution IMO

You didn't read my post obviously....

 

[heathgate]

i don't think that you're understanding protests or protestors

Meaning?