[News] Just Stop Oil

[heathgate]

Absolutely shocking that a treasured monument should have powder paint sprayed over it.

I also find it shocking that 467 species have been declared extinct in the past decade and biodiversity is declining at an alarming rate due to anthropological causes to CC.

I find it shocking that the World’s most developed economies signed an agreement in 1997 acknowledging the human contribution to the rate of CC yet we are no closer 27 years later to limiting warming rises to 1.5 degrees. I find it shocking that the World came together in 1997 (and have signed subsequent protocols since) to limit and reduce greenhouse gasses in accordance with individual targets - yet here we are 27 years later - already facing the consequences of CC with CO2 emissions still heating the Earth at an alarming rate.

What is more shocking to me than orange powder paint is that even in the face of predicted staggering sea level rise, extreme droughts, floods and widespread species loss, Governments in the West are dragging their feet and even in some cases, dumping their previously agreed targets to reduce carbon emissions and renewing a commitment to fossil fuels.

I find it absolutely shocking to see a much loved prehistoric monument daubed in powder paint.

But…It will wash off in the next rainfall.

It is heartbreaking that the damage we have already caused to the world in terms of habit loss, both in human life and loss of biodiversity can’t be washed away so easily when it rains.

When it comes to what I see as more important, the intrinsic value of inanimate objects or that of polar bears, I choose polar bears every time

However, I fully accept that I’m in a minority here so won’t argue the point - that’s just my POV that’s all.

If these well meaning dullards actually did the proper hard yards, and protest against India, China and most of South and central Asia, who are the main nay sayers when it comes to environmental controls, who pollute on scales that are literally unmeasurable... nations like Brazil and the other Amazonian nations, systematically stripping away the rain forest..... if jso actively protested against these nations, I am sure they would get a more sympathetic ear,... but they don't.

 

[keaton]

The problem with the gist of these articles (which are far from being balanced journalism) is that they are arguing that because the cause of eco protestors is so important and for the benefit of everyone, laws should be interpreted differently and eco protesters should be treated more leniently when they break them. This becomes an impossiblly subjective argument that can be applied to any offence and thus law simply breaks down.
Campaign for new different laws that apply to protestors of eco issues by all means but otherwise the law has to be applied equally to all (and this of course means that eco protestors should be treated equally and fairly - not favoured or disadvantaged).

Like the balanced journalism to bring up people not receiving medical attention due to JSO which despite many newspapers (and posters) obsessing about seems to be very rare

 

[A mex eyecan]

Like the balanced journalism to bring up people not receiving medical attention due to JSO which despite many newspapers (and posters) obsessing about seems to be very rare

but anyone , even one, person not receiving their treatment - isn’t breaking the law. Many JSO activists are.

 

[A1X]

Presumably Stonehenge is now the HQ of BP or Shell now, is it?

 

[jcdenton08]

Have you. Put up. Bus fares? @ManOfSussex

 

[keaton]

but anyone , even one, person not receiving their treatment - isn’t breaking the law. Many JSO activists are.

If your worried about one person but receiving medical treatment due to JSO you must be furious about all the people dying due to climate change

 

[A mex eyecan]

Absolutely shocking that a treasured monument should have powder paint sprayed over it.

I also find it shocking that 467 species have been declared extinct in the past decade and biodiversity is declining at an alarming rate due to anthropological causes to CC.

I find it shocking that the World’s most developed economies signed an agreement in 1997 acknowledging the human contribution to the rate of CC yet we are no closer 27 years later to limiting warming rises to 1.5 degrees. I find it shocking that the World came together in 1997 (and have signed subsequent protocols since) to limit and reduce greenhouse gasses in accordance with individual targets - yet here we are 27 years later - already facing the consequences of CC with CO2 emissions still heating the Earth at an alarming rate.

What is more shocking to me than orange powder paint is that even in the face of predicted staggering sea level rise, extreme droughts, floods and widespread species loss, Governments in the West are dragging their feet and even in some cases, dumping their previously agreed targets to reduce carbon emissions and renewing a commitment to fossil fuels.

I find it absolutely shocking to see a much loved prehistoric monument daubed in powder paint.

But…It will wash off in the next rainfall.

It is heartbreaking that the damage we have already caused to the world in terms of habit loss, both in human life and loss of biodiversity can’t be washed away so easily when it rains.

When it comes to what I see as more important, the intrinsic value of inanimate objects or that of polar bears, I choose polar bears every time

However, I fully accept that I’m in a minority here so won’t argue the point - that’s just my POV that’s all.

For what’s it’s worth I wholeheartedly agree with your converns. However these muppets breaking the law isn’t the way to garner further support.

Hold your rallies, demonstrations etc in a peaceful, legal way. Change political inaction via ballot boxes. That will surely win more people over rather than piss them off.

 

[jcdenton08]

If your worried about one person but receiving medical treatment due to JSO you must be furious about all the people dying due to climate change

This argument cannot work.

It’s simple logic.

If one protestor dies as a result of JSO, that’s one more death than would’ve happened without them. A life directly lost by the actions of JSO in the very real, short term.

How many lives have JSO saved by “stopping” climate change?

It’s a logical fallacy, and I think you know that.

Sometimes, even when supporting a group, you have to put your hands up and say “yeah, that’s pretty shit and I don’t condone that aspect”, rather than using strawman arguments which can make the person look completely heartless.

 

[A mex eyecan]

If your worried about one person but receiving medical treatment due to JSO you must be furious about all the people dying due to climate change

yes I am, you seem to have formed your option that I am anti the cause for changing pollution etc etc. That’s what happens when you jump to conclusions about someone you’ve never met. As it happens I am deeply concerned for the planet and the damage that we are doing to it. I have children and grandchildren and of course it scares the shite out of me with what we’re are doing to the planet. But that still doesn’t mean I have to agree with a mob of law breaking idiots who cause mayhem.

By all means demonstrate, but target the places, companies etc etc that actually have culpability. To win and argument you need to garner more and more support. Acting like some pathetic little warrior running around with powder paint, gluing your hand to tarmac and generally oissing off more and more people isn’t going to get more empathy from other members of the public.

 

[abc]

Like the balanced journalism to bring up people not receiving medical attention due to JSO which despite many newspapers (and posters) obsessing about seems to be very rare

Agree but you posted the articles to make your own points and they are not balanced.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I hadn’t exaggerated. If Im deemed to have done then same can be said about you in your virtual denial that anyone had been inconvenienced or had appointments delayed/cancelled.

As for your example of elderly lady going slowly in order to cause delays or a 81 year priest being arrested you are entitled to you view, however my view is that age doesn't put you above the law, if you’re breaking it and get arrested then tough.

The United Nations has declared such demonstrations are legitimate.
This Big Issue publication cites the Sun newspaper blaming JSO for an accident which happened over 10 miles away.

Just Stop Oil: Everything you need to know about the fossil fuel protest group

Just Stop Oil activists have become a regular fixture in the headlines. We've explained all you need to know about the group

www.bigissue.com

 

[Thunder Bolt]

but anyone , even one, person not receiving their treatment - isn’t breaking the law. Many JSO activists are.

The law was deliberately changed to make them ‘criminals.
Remember killing people was legal in Germany whereas protecting people was illegal.

Dickens wrote the law is an ass.

 

[CHAPPERS]

Almost 2,000 children die every day from air pollution, report finds

Global study reveals dirty air is second only to malnutrition as cause of death among under-fives

www.theguardian.com

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

If these well meaning dullards actually did the proper hard yards, and protest against India, China and most of South and central Asia, who are the main nay sayers when it comes to environmental controls, who pollute on scales that are literally unmeasurable... nations like Brazil and the other Amazonian nations, systematically stripping away the rain forest..... if jso actively protested against these nations, I am sure they would get a more sympathetic ear,... but they don't.

This.

 

[Goldstone Guy]

Absolutely shocking that a treasured monument should have powder paint sprayed over it.

I also find it shocking that 467 species have been declared extinct in the past decade and biodiversity is declining at an alarming rate due to anthropological causes to CC.

I find it shocking that the World’s most developed economies signed an agreement in 1997 acknowledging the human contribution to the rate of CC yet we are no closer 27 years later to limiting warming rises to 1.5 degrees. I find it shocking that the World came together in 1997 (and have signed subsequent protocols since) to limit and reduce greenhouse gasses in accordance with individual targets - yet here we are 27 years later - already facing the consequences of CC with CO2 emissions still heating the Earth at an alarming rate.

What is more shocking to me than orange powder paint is that even in the face of predicted staggering sea level rise, extreme droughts, floods and widespread species loss, Governments in the West are dragging their feet and even in some cases, dumping their previously agreed targets to reduce carbon emissions and renewing a commitment to fossil fuels.

I find it absolutely shocking to see a much loved prehistoric monument daubed in powder paint.

But…It will wash off in the next rainfall.

It is heartbreaking that the damage we have already caused to the world in terms of habit loss, both in human life and loss of biodiversity can’t be washed away so easily when it rains.

When it comes to what I see as more important, the intrinsic value of inanimate objects or that of polar bears, I choose polar bears every time

However, I fully accept that I’m in a minority here so won’t argue the point - that’s just my POV that’s all.

What a superb post which summarises how I feel and perhaps lots of others feel. For what it's worth I think spraying paint on Stonehenge or whatever they've done is a pretty pointless exercise and I agree with others that more targeted protests are needed. However I'm sick and tired of the lack of action by successive governments and the way we're going through the 1.5 degrees target (or perhaps have gone through it already) and the majority thinking we can just carry on as normal. People feel desperate, see the lack of action and do desperate/stupid things. Not surprising really.

I recently read "Silent Earth" by Dave Goulson (biology professor at Sussex uni, bee specialist). It's very interesting and thought-provoking (well worth reading) but also quite depressing and absolutely terrifying in places. He speculates/predicts that global food production is going to come to a halt at some point in the not-too-distant future - I think he thought it could be the 2040s!

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

yes I am, you seem to have formed your option that I am anti the cause for changing pollution etc etc. That’s what happens when you jump to conclusions about someone you’ve never met. As it happens I am deeply concerned for the planet and the damage that we are doing to it. I have children and grandchildren and of course it scares the shite out of me with what we’re are doing to the planet. But that still doesn’t mean I have to agree with a mob of law breaking idiots who cause mayhem.

By all means demonstrate, but target the places, companies etc etc that actually have culpability. To win and argument you need to garner more and more support. Acting like some pathetic little warrior running around with powder paint, gluing your hand to tarmac and generally oissing off more and more people isn’t going to get more empathy from other members of the public.

Indeed. I have been called a tory because I don't like the way some on the extreme left go about their business. Happy to be a member of that reactionary right wing organization called the Labour Party.

No compromise with the electorate! To infinity and beyond! All the world is made of faith, and trust, and pixie dust. Second star to the right and straight on ‘til morning.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

This also isn't true. I've asked you for evidence on this thread but you never seem to find any. JSO do not advertise their demonstrations.

These journalists knew where the demonstration was going to be held on the M25 in November 22. They turned up to cover it but the police arrested them, confiscated their equipment, raided their homes, and kept them in custody.
It suited the Home Office to say the demonstration was not made public so they could arrest journalists doing their job.

Journalists Are Being Arrested Under Anti-Protest Laws

The government's authoritarian anti-protest laws aren't only targeting peaceful political demonstrations – they're being used to target journalists reporting on them, too.

tribunemag.co.uk

 

[Goldstone Guy]

If these well meaning dullards actually did the proper hard yards, and protest against India, China and most of South and central Asia, who are the main nay sayers when it comes to environmental controls, who pollute on scales that are literally unmeasurable... nations like Brazil and the other Amazonian nations, systematically stripping away the rain forest..... if jso actively protested against these nations, I am sure they would get a more sympathetic ear,... but they don't.

A significant area of Britain was once covered in temperate rainforest. Most of it was destroyed and is now grass, grazed by sheep. We ruined our rainforest centuries/decades ago (I can look the dates up if you want) but now there's no point us trying to do anything about climate change because Brazil is cutting down its rainforest. Right.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

What a superb post which summarises how I feel and perhaps lots of others feel. For what it's worth I think spraying paint on Stonehenge or whatever they've done is a pretty pointless exercise and I agree with others that more targeted protests are needed. However I'm sick and tired of the lack of action by successive governments and the way we're going through the 1.5 degrees target (or perhaps have gone through it already) and the majority thinking we can just carry on as normal. People feel desperate, see the lack of action and do desperate/stupid things. Not surprising really.

I recently read "Silent Earth" by Dave Goulson (biology professor at Sussex uni, bee specialist). It's very interesting and thought-provoking (well worth reading) but also quite depressing and absolutely terrifying in places. He speculates/predicts that global food production is going to come to a halt at some point in the not-too-distant future - I think he thought it could be the 2040s!

@Zeberdi is a brilliant, thoughtful person with insight and courage. I look forward to tuning into their posts again in the not too distant future.

 

[Jackthelad]