Just how awful is this government? June 2020 edition

[Chicken Run]

So here's another few days in the life of the Johnson government. There's now a legal challenge to the appointment of three key players is our hugely successful attempt to fight the Covid calamity.

Dido Harding - a Tory peer, pal of David Cameron, wife of Tory MP.

Kate Bingham - school chum of Rachel Johnson, wife of Tory minister.

Mike Coupe - former colleague of Harding and very rich man.

Plus Johnson's pitiful behaviour on the Patel bullying issue, a probable public sector pay freeze and cut in the foreign aid budget. All this in a Cabinet populated by millionaires dragging us toward a Brexit which will impact the livelihoods of most of the population and not in a good way.

The only thing that isn’t pitiful is a public sector pay freeze, they are the lucky ones who still have a job and no doubt if unable to work were home on full pay whilst the rest of us have seen our earnings hit for six, and iirc this doesn’t effect NHS workers. They won’t garner much sympathy from the British Public at present if the Unions start bleating.

 

[rogersix]

The only thing that isn’t pitiful is a public sector pay freeze, they are the lucky ones who still have a job and no doubt if unable to work were home on full pay whilst the rest of us have seen our earnings hit for six, and iirc this doesn’t effect NHS workers. They won’t garner much sympathy from the British Public at present if the Unions start bleating.

is there a problem with corruption in the higher echelons of our government?

 

[Chicken Run]

is there a problem with corruption in the higher echelons of our government?

Yes

Edit I should say probably as I haven’t seen any proof [emoji106]

 

[CHAPPERS]

The only thing that isn’t pitiful is a public sector pay freeze, they are the lucky ones who still have a job and no doubt if unable to work were home on full pay whilst the rest of us have seen our earnings hit for six, and iirc this doesn’t effect NHS workers. They won’t garner much sympathy from the British Public at present if the Unions start bleating.

The unions? The bodies that protect their members like the care workers and firefighters who are about to be rewarded with a pay decrease? I should hope they start ‘bleating’. Cor what’s thought that someone else shouldn’t get a pay rise.

 

[Chicken Run]

The unions? The bodies that protect their members like the care workers and firefighters who are about to be rewarded with a pay decrease? I should hope they start ‘bleating’. Cor what’s thought that someone else shouldn’t get a pay rise.

So every other private sector worker has had to suffer during this crisis, many losing their jobs, lost pay threat of losing your home and you think we should feel sorry for public sector workers who won’t be getting a pay rise this year, I might add that most people in the private sector don’t get a pay rise at all.

You and me are polls apart in anything up for discussion so I’d save your fingers and don’t bother responding, you make me sick.

 

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[Randy McNob]

So every other private sector worker has had to suffer during this crisis, many losing their jobs, lost pay threat of losing your home and you think we should feel sorry for public sector workers who won’t be getting a pay rise this year, I might add that most people in the private sector don’t get a pay rise at all.

You and me are polls apart in anything up for discussion so I’d save your fingers and don’t bother responding, you make me sick.

Soon as people mention public sector pay freeze the race to the bottom debate starts

 

[Randy McNob]

 

[Chicken Run]

Soon as people mention public sector pay freeze the race to the bottom debate starts

In your eyes (and a few on here)maybe but in the real world there isn’t a debate in the crisis we are all suffering from, I should also say we are talking about a group of people who haven’t suffered financial hardship due to either losing their jobs, earning less due to furlough and to be frank have still got a tucking job, the “race to the bottom” comment is whataboutary of the highest order.

 

[Chicken Run]

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What if through no fault of there own bosses can’t afford to pay their staff due to there business being closed, are they slags then, is that what your saying by posting this meme?

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

The only thing that isn’t pitiful is a public sector pay freeze, they are the lucky ones who still have a job and no doubt if unable to work were home on full pay whilst the rest of us have seen our earnings hit for six, and iirc this doesn’t effect NHS workers. They won’t garner much sympathy from the British Public at present if the Unions start bleating.

You sound quite bitter and angry towards your fellow working man. Don’t fall into this Tory trap; it’s what they want.

 

[Chicken Run]

You sound quite bitter and angry towards your fellow working man. Don’t fall into this Tory trap; it’s what they want.

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Edit , I’m angry at people much better off than millions of private sector workers, whining that they didn’t get their annual pay rise whilst the rest of us are suffering!

 

[Lincoln Imp]

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Edit , I’m angry at people much better off than millions of private sector workers, whining that they didn’t get their annual pay rise whilst the rest of us are suffering!

I have sympathy with your view.

 

[Randy McNob]

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Edit , I’m angry at people much better off than millions of private sector workers, whining that they didn’t get their annual pay rise whilst the rest of us are suffering!

Your anger is directed at the wrong people, you're arguing that everyone should have less rather than supporting those people and arguing that everyone should have what they are entitled to. It's divide and rule where workers rights and pay has been gradually eroded over many years and people at the bottom have to suffer on fewer opportunities on minimum wage below a reasonable standard of living and others suffer on zero hour contract terms. while they subject people in the private sector to this oppression they can then attack those in the public sector and as long as they have you to help them that makes their job easier

 

[Chicken Run]

Your anger is directed at the wrong people, you're arguing that everyone should have less rather than supporting those people and arguing that everyone should have what they are entitled to. It's divide and rule where workers rights and pay has been gradually eroded over many years and people at the bottom have to suffer on fewer opportunities on minimum wage below a reasonable standard of living and others suffer on zero hour contract terms. while they subject people in the private sector to this oppression they can then attack those in the public sector and as long as they have you to help them that makes their job easier

Please don’t tell me who I should direct my anger at!!

The above is a standard socialist response to the average hardworking Joe on the street who’s pissed off because he’s losing money whilst the public sector are whining that they want more in the current crisis.

And finally I’m arguing that the public sector workers should in this current climate maybe take one for the team like the rest of us.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Please don’t tell me who I should direct my anger at!!

The above is a standard socialist response to the average hardworking Joe on the street who’s pissed off because he’s losing money whilst the public sector are whining that they want more in the current crisis.

And finally I’m arguing that the public sector workers should in this current climate maybe take one for the team like the rest of us.

Care workers, teachers, health workers, social workers etc have certainly taken a few for the team over the past decade and especially this past year. They deserve your support, not your anger.

I understand your anger and frustration but it’s misguided imho. Most of us have been impacted one way or another by the Covid crisis. If there’s any fingers to be pointed it should be at the government. If it wasn’t for their utterly woeful and shameless handling of this crisis, routinely wasting money, handing over billions to their mates who allegedly run software and PPE companies and presided over a recession twice that of Germany there might be a bit more money to go around for everyone.

 

[Chicken Run]

Care workers, teachers, health workers, social workers etc have certainly taken a few for the team over the past decade and especially this past year. They deserve your support, not your anger.

I understand your anger and frustration but it’s misguided imho. Most of us have been impacted one way or another by the Covid crisis. If there’s any fingers to be pointed it should be at the government. If it wasn’t for their utterly woeful and shameless handling of this crisis, routinely wasting money, handing over billions to their mates who allegedly run software and PPE companies and presided over a recession twice that of Germany there might be a bit more money to go around for everyone.

I’m so sorry I completely disagree.

You’re diverting my simple complaint that in the current climate, public sector workers whining they didn’t get their annual pay rise whilst the rest of us struggle through with lost jobs, others having to do two jobs to cover the losses they have suffered, (I could go on and on)

Guy who delivered my Friday take away had a baby in a car seat in the rear of his vehicle, I get chatting to him and establish he’s a computer programmer who was laid off in the summer, he’s tried his best to get similar work but to no avail, he’s now doing the food delivery in the evenings and supermarket work during the day, the kid is with him as his wife was also out delivering food as they can barely cover their rent.

Do you think he’s impressed with with his neighbour who’s spent the summer off work on full pay, itching for a reason to stop working again for the rest of the year on full pay and then is rather irritated that they aren’t going to get their pay rise this year?

 

[beorhthelm]

Your anger is directed at the wrong people, you're arguing that everyone should have less rather than supporting those people and arguing that everyone should have what they are entitled to. It's divide and rule where workers rights and pay has been gradually eroded over many years and people at the bottom have to suffer on fewer opportunities on minimum wage below a reasonable standard of living and others suffer on zero hour contract terms. while they subject people in the private sector to this oppression they can then attack those in the public sector and as long as they have you to help them that makes their job easier

the productive parts of the economy have suffered the largest shock since war, millions are out of work or reduced income, businesses decimated. complaining that the public sector might not increase their wages is tone deaf and insulting to all those groups you think you speak for.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

I’m so sorry I completely disagree.

You’re diverting my simple complaint that in the current climate, public sector workers whining they didn’t get their annual pay rise whilst the rest of us struggle through with lost jobs, others having to do two jobs to cover the losses they have suffered, (I could go on and on)

Guy who delivered my Friday take away had a baby in a car seat in the rear of his vehicle, I get chatting to him and establish he’s a computer programmer who was laid off in the summer, he’s tried his best to get similar work but to no avail, he’s now doing the food delivery in the evenings and supermarket work during the day, the kid is with him as his wife was also out delivering food as they can barely cover their rent.

Do you think he’s impressed with with his neighbour who’s spent the summer off work on full pay, itching for a reason to stop working again for the rest of the year on full pay and then is rather irritated that they aren’t going to get their pay rise this year?

I sympathise with the ex-Computer programmer, I really do. But my suggestion isn’t to bring down other workers, it’s to try and better his situation. You seem to want the reverse. I appreciate the current situation is far from ideal but does it really have to be as bad as it is? No, it doesn’t. The U.K. has one of the worst recessions there is, it’s over twice that of Germany. Why? It has the highest number of deaths in Europe. Why? It’s routinely wasting millions and millions and millions on botched deals and burning through billions and billions due to Brexit. Why? I think you know why. Other countries have proven it doesn’t have to be this bad. So, if there’s a finger to be pointed it’s not towards your fellow worker, he/she is just trying to do the best they can, it should be pointed solely at the government.

PS it was also this government which advised people to retrain....which your delivery chap has clearly taken on board. Or are you suggesting this was crass advice from the government?

 

[GrizzlingGammon]

I’m so sorry I completely disagree.

You’re diverting my simple complaint that in the current climate, public sector workers whining they didn’t get their annual pay rise whilst the rest of us struggle through with lost jobs, others having to do two jobs to cover the losses they have suffered, (I could go on and on)

Guy who delivered my Friday take away had a baby in a car seat in the rear of his vehicle, I get chatting to him and establish he’s a computer programmer who was laid off in the summer, he’s tried his best to get similar work but to no avail, he’s now doing the food delivery in the evenings and supermarket work during the day, the kid is with him as his wife was also out delivering food as they can barely cover their rent.

Do you think he’s impressed with with his neighbour who’s spent the summer off work on full pay, itching for a reason to stop working again for the rest of the year on full pay and then is rather irritated that they aren’t going to get their pay rise this year?

Out of curiosity, which part of the public sector did the neighbour work for?