[Politics] Johnson resigns from parliament

[chickens]

I’d have more respect for any Conservative voter who said they condemned his actions, and hoped the more moderate Tories took the party back from the far right.
Those who don’t, condone the far right views of the present cabal, in my opinion.

This all day long. Any rational observer of both our relative standing in the world, and our quality of life, can see that Conservatism in its present form doesn’t work.

The ‘tax cut, tax cut, tax cut” rhetoric has provably failed. It’s proven an act of self-sabotage, damaging our national infrastructure in a manner that will cost more in public money to repair than it would’ve if it had just been run competently in the first place.

Add to that being repeatedly and openly lied to by a man who was a known and proven liar, yet was selected by the Conservative Party as fit for the highest office in the land, and anyone of good faith of any political stripe with the welfare of their country at heart, should have no qualms in loudly and quickly condemning both Johnson and the Conservative Party’s judgment for selecting him.

I can absolutely accept having no love for Labour, they’re far from flawless, but to proclaim “they’re all as bad as each other” is the last refuge of the scoundrel.

They are not all as bad as each other. If @wehatepalace and those who think like them can’t see the difference, that problem is theirs.

 

[BadFish]

pale (soz)

I stand corrected.

 

[Mo Gosfield]

This all day long. Any rational observer of both our relative standing in the world, and our quality of life, can see that Conservatism in its present form doesn’t work.

The ‘tax cut, tax cut, tax cut” rhetoric has provably failed. It’s proven an act of self-sabotage, damaging our national infrastructure in a manner that will cost more in public money to repair than it would’ve if it had just been run competently in the first place.

Add to that being repeatedly and openly lied to by a man who was a known and proven liar, yet was selected by the Conservative Party as fit for the highest office in the land, and anyone of good faith of any political stripe with the welfare of their country at heart, should have no qualms in loudly and quickly condemning both Johnson and the Conservative Party’s judgment for selecting him.

I can absolutely accept having no love for Labour, they’re far from flawless, but to proclaim “they’re all as bad as each other” is the last refuge of the scoundrel.

They are not all as bad as each other. If @wehatepalace and those who think like them can’t see the difference, that problem is theirs.

Well....they all had their snouts in the trough....from every political persuasion.....over the expenses scandal....which had been going on for years and apart from a few, inconsequential, sacrificial lambs....and some pathetic gestures to repay monies incorrectly claimed.......was brushed under the carpet.
Not much difference there.

 

[mikeyjh]

If anyone fancies a couple of minutes listening to a Tory giving the most bizzare analogy where she compared the Tory Party to a shopping basket - Go to Sunday Breakast on Radio 5 at about 2:23:45 in. It's magic.

 

[chickens]

Well....they all had their snouts in the trough....from every political persuasion.....over the expenses scandal....which had been going on for years and apart from a few, inconsequential, sacrificial lambs....and some pathetic gestures to repay monies incorrectly claimed.......was brushed under the carpet.
Not much difference there.

But again, no. There were politicians who’d been clearly and extravagantly fiddling their expenses, and those who absolutely hadn’t. They were not all the same. Identify the individuals who have proven themselves unworthy and don’t vote for them.

Equally, accept MPs as human. If somebody has an otherwise excellent record, but there’s a lapse, give them the benefit of the doubt, but if somebody keeps lapsing and proves evasive/stonewalls when questioned then they absolutely shouldn’t be in Parliament. This isn’t some kind of unsolvable conundrum, and again they are very much not all the same.

 

[Sid and the Sharknados]

But again, no. There were politicians who’d been clearly and extravagantly fiddling their expenses, and those who absolutely hadn’t. They were not all the same. Identify the individuals who have proven themselves unworthy and don’t vote for them.

Equally, accept MPs as human. If somebody has an otherwise excellent record, but there’s a lapse, give them the benefit of the doubt, but if somebody keeps lapsing and proves evasive/stonewalls when questioned then they absolutely shouldn’t be in Parliament. This isn’t some kind of unsolvable conundrum, and again they are very much not all the same.

But if we all did that, some people would be compelled to not vote for the Conservatives?

 

[Westdene Seagull]

I fear you have made a terrible mistake of believing claims made by serial trolls given a free pass on NSC.

FYI My 75 year old Dad is in the final stages of cancer after a particularly shitty year so I would be ever so grateful if you would withdraw that comment and apologise.

So you're denying being the son of Ivan Lyons the racist then ? I wonder what @Steve Foster says about that ?

 

[chickens]

But if we all did that, some people would be compelled to not vote for the Conservatives?

There are some brilliant Conservative MPs who genuinely work very hard at a local level, but just like with every political party, there are Conservative candidates that anyone who cares about Britain should really not be voting for.

Given that Boris Johnson was selected as leader, they appear to have reached critical mass, because they effectively chose a snake oil salesman to try and sell unachievable visions to their voters, instead of a serious politician.

Don’t forget that Johnson single-handedly purged the party of centrist and moderate candidates, and effectively turned the Conservative Party into “Super UKIP”. UKIP never managed to gain any significant political foothold in the country, and that’s the platform that Johnson wanted the Conservative Party to bat on.

If the Conservatives are smart, they’ll ensure Johnson does not return, but I fear his divisive rhetoric will outlive him unless the Conservative Party gets its house in order. He’s brought a little bit of Trumpism and US style politics to Britain, and I for one will never forgive him. Whenever Boris Johnson’s name is mentioned in a news context, it should be prefaced with the words “national embarrassment”.

 

[rogersix]

Well....they all had their snouts in the trough....from every political persuasion.....over the expenses scandal....which had been going on for years and apart from a few, inconsequential, sacrificial lambs....and some pathetic gestures to repay monies incorrectly claimed.......was brushed under the carpet.
Not much difference there.

will you be voting tory at the next opportunity?

 

[rogersix]

So you're denying being the son of Ivan Lyons the racist then ? I wonder what @Steve Foster says about that ?

who is ivan lyons?

 

[Westdene Seagull]

who is ivan lyons?

A now Brighton and Hove Councillor who was dropped from the voting list at a previous election by the Tories because he thought it appropriate to tell racist jokes. Thought the Truss budget was brilliant and supports Israel's suppression of Palestinians. On the Argus website, before his election refused to out himself as a Tory candidate but attacked any other parties candidates. Friends with Timmy - @Falmerfourtickets. His NSC name is @Steve Foster. Utterly vile human being.

EDIT - and claims to be very rich and probably the richest NSC'er apparently.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Well....they all had their snouts in the trough....from every political persuasion.....over the expenses scandal....which had been going on for years and apart from a few, inconsequential, sacrificial lambs....and some pathetic gestures to repay monies incorrectly claimed.......was brushed under the carpet.
Not much difference there.

But again, no. There were politicians who’d been clearly and extravagantly fiddling their expenses, and those who absolutely hadn’t. They were not all the same. Identify the individuals who have proven themselves unworthy and don’t vote for them.

Equally, accept MPs as human. If somebody has an otherwise excellent record, but there’s a lapse, give them the benefit of the doubt, but if somebody keeps lapsing and proves evasive/stonewalls when questioned then they absolutely shouldn’t be in Parliament. This isn’t some kind of unsolvable conundrum, and again they are very much not all the same.

As has been proven time and time again, logic and facts are not the way to stop a Brexit/Johnson acolyte putting their fingers in their ears and shouting 'THE'RE ALL THE SAME'. Maybe three word slogans are the way, it worked before

 

[rogersix]

A now Brighton and Hove Councillor who was dropped from the voting list at a previous election by the Tories because he thought it appropriate to tell racist jokes. Thought the Truss budget was brilliant and supports Israel's suppression of Palestinians. On the Argus website, before his election refused to out himself as a Tory candidate but attacked any other parties candidates. Friends with Timmy - @Falmerfourtickets. His NSC name is @Steve Foster. Utterly vile human being.

EDIT - and claims to be very rich and probably the richest NSC'er apparently.

i see, another colourful "character". so @Steve Foster is @Wokeworrier ?

 

[Westdene Seagull]

i see, another colourful "character". so @Steve Foster is @Wokeworrier ?

Deleted to keep out of bear pit

 

[Pogue Mahone]

who is ivan lyons?

This is him

Hove Tory candidate quits over ‘Islamophobic’ jokes

A Conservative candidate standing in May's city council elections has resigned from the party after a series of offensive jokes

www.brightonandhovenews.org

 

[Simster]

Nope - @Wokeworrier is @Steve Foster 's son

Which wokeworrier is apparently denying.

Would be interesting to see the truth coming out here, because as you point out, he's always come across as a repugnant individual.

And this isn't a left v right bias coming out. I say that as someone who has always felt you come across as a decent bloke despite crossing swords with you politically down the years.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Which wokeworrier is apparently denying.

Would be interesting to see the truth coming out here, because as you point out, he's always come across as a repugnant individual.

And this isn't a left v right bias coming out. I say that as someone who has always felt you come across as a decent bloke despite crossing swords with you politically down the years.

But he's always lied on (and about) all his various accounts, as has coincidentally @Steve Foster

 

[rogersix]

Nope - @Wokeworrier is @Steve Foster 's son

oh, i see, ta. so wokeycokey is jcfg, amongst others

 

[rogersix]

This is him

Hove Tory candidate quits over ‘Islamophobic’ jokes

A Conservative candidate standing in May's city council elections has resigned from the party after a series of offensive jokes

www.brightonandhovenews.org

blimey, i blame the parents

 

[BadFish]

A now Brighton and Hove Councillor who was dropped from the voting list at a previous election by the Tories because he thought it appropriate to tell racist jokes. Thought the Truss budget was brilliant and supports Israel's suppression of Palestinians. On the Argus website, before his election refused to out himself as a Tory candidate but attacked any other parties candidates. Friends with Timmy - @Falmerfourtickets. His NSC name is @Steve Foster. Utterly vile human being.

EDIT - and claims to be very rich and probably the richest NSC'er apparently.

How do we know that this chap is Steve Foster? And that WW is his son?