[Politics] Johnson or Hunt?

[Green Cross Code Man]

Two key differences with Brown. 1) he was continuing with Blairite policy in the main and, more importantly in terms of our representative democracy, 2) the Labour Party had a parliamentary majority and he had an overwhelming backing from Labour MPs - so much so that no one else attracted enough support to even force a leadership vote.

Yes that is true. But still the complaints in the media from those that didn't like the situation were tiresome just as they are with Johnson. Both parties have this method for selecting leaders, we all know about it, why complain only if we don't get the result we want? Listening to some reports on the radio, it is as though some think everyone should be able to vote for tory leader which is quite absurd. We elect a party to for a government, it is not a presidential race.

 

[Davemania]

Is it just me that thinks with Johnson at the helm we'll become a global figure-of-fun in the same way most of us look at the USA with Trump running the show?

Of course we will. He's a buffoon. That we still have, in the 21st century, privileged toffs that went to Eton running our country is truly pathetic. Of the 0.01% of people that go there, what are the chances that those people will turn out to be truly talented politicians? Much more likely that an inspiring leader would come from the general population. Where's the talent though? We just have this outdated system that funnels the posh kids through to positions of power and they were never going to be up to running a modern, multi cultural Britain. Cameron engineered this mess. Where did he go to school? Eton. My God, not surprising really that we're in a mess when we are still running the country as if it were the 19th century.

 

[Meade's Ball]

As a non conservative of course a vote either way leads me to differing degrees of terror. But it's Boris, the blathering egotist, who scares me most. I understand those who say it might be best to get his leadership disastrously out of the way, but for he love of sometime sanity I couldn't vote such a jaskass in. He's a fickle danger. But it's likely to be him, with those with a vote to pass somehow beguiled enough to bring about a leadership, if you can call it that, that I doubt we have had before.

 

[dazzer6666]

Is it just me that thinks with Johnson at the helm we'll become a global figure-of-fun in the same way most of us look at the USA with Trump running the show?

No, no it’s not just you......whiff whaff is coming home

 

[Davemania]

BJ isn't up to running the local 24/7 let alone the country. Yet years of status, money and privilege have channelled the floppy haired **** to likely be the next leader of our country. Yep we're in trouble alright.

 

[nicko31]

We are about to enter the final phase of the UK's humiliation in the world.

Its only fitting the lead architect of the mess he created should now take charge

 

[BLOCK F]

At the moment this is true. It hasn't always been true.

If Boris wins (which he will) there may be a resurgence of interest in the old socialist, Corbyn. He may have dithered over antisemitism, and spoken to a bad Irishman in 1987 and shared a taxi with Osama Bin Laden in 2009, but he's not a big fat liar.

On the tory side, only swivel-eyed loons are likely to step forward to replace the likes of 'back bench Phil'. They may even begin to make the likes of Dianne Abbott look half competant (no, just kidding about that one).

Before any of the events there was a thread on here on which I predicted Trump, Brexit and Corbyn. I have two out of three already.....(and the two I least wanted). We shall see. There is a fair chance Boris will bungle Brexit in spectacular style - hard Brexit would be unpleasant, and no Brexit (still my expectation) would be catestrophic (for Boris). We live in interesting times.

'Soulless Douchbag' here; well, I would be if there was an election because I would vote Tory as I believe the disaster that would befall the country if the hard left nutters were given the levers of power would be beyond anything that Boris could do.
Corbyn, McDonnell and their ghastly cohort of Milne, Murphy, Murray and McCluskey are batty idealogues and the sooner they are consigned to the political dustbin, the better.
I am certainly no Boris cheerleader and it is a serious indictment on the state of British politics that we have him as likely P..M and Corbyn as leader of HM Opposition.
Fair enough if you don't like a Tory Government, but the sad truth is that Labour is presently unelectable. I would love to see the party revert back to being a centre left party and provide proper opposition to the Government.Likewise, if the Labour party were in power, I would like to see the Tories put up an effective opposition; it is good for democracy.
I wish we would hear more from sensible moderate Labour M.P.s, but sadly as things are, they are either 'forced' out or keep exceedingly quiet, scared of losing their jobs.
'A plague on both your houses'.

 

[Simster]

At the moment this is true. It hasn't always been true.

If Boris wins (which he will) there may be a resurgence of interest in the old socialist, Corbyn. He may have dithered over antisemitism, and spoken to a bad Irishman in 1987 and shared a taxi with Osama Bin Laden in 2009, but he's not a big fat liar.

On the tory side, only swivel-eyed loons are likely to step forward to replace the likes of 'back bench Phil'. They may even begin to make the likes of Dianne Abbott look half competant (no, just kidding about that one).

Before any of the events there was a thread on here on which I predicted Trump, Brexit and Corbyn. I have two out of three already.....(and the two I least wanted). We shall see. There is a fair chance Boris will bungle Brexit in spectacular style - hard Brexit would be unpleasant, and no Brexit (still my expectation) would be catestrophic (for Boris). We live in interesting times.

If Labour get in, it will be by default and because they bothered to campaign properly, attempt to cost out their spending whilst leaving Abbott at arms length from all of that (regardless of the truth on her mathmatical skills, she's now toxic). It will not be because there is a resurgence of interest in socialism IMO. In truth, the LibDems, Brexit party and SNP ought to be the main beneficiaries of consistently crass Tory incompetence, because Labour have proved they are not trusted either for a fair number of reasons. There are many progressive conservatives and traditional centrist Labour voters who will move to the LibDems and Greens. Not forgetting that the two traditional parties will also haemmorage the gammon vote to peepuls champiun Nigel Farage and that dreadful mangy political mutt, Anne Widdecombe.

 

[Simster]

'Soulless Douchbag' here; well, I would be if there was an election because I would vote Tory as I believe the disaster that would befall the country if the hard left nutters were given the levers of power would be beyond anything that Boris could do.
Corbyn, McDonnell and their ghastly cohort of Milne, Murphy, Murray and McCluskey are batty idealogues and the sooner they are consigned to the political dustbin, the better.
I am certainly no Boris cheerleader and it is a serious indictment on the state of British politics that we have him as likely P..M and Corbyn as leader of HM Opposition.
Fair enough if you don't like a Tory Government, but the sad truth is that Labour is presently unelectable. I would love to see the party revert back to being a centre left party and provide proper opposition to the Government.Likewise, if the Labour party were in power, I would like to see the Tories put up an effective opposition; it is good for democracy.
I wish we would hear more from sensible moderate Labour M.P.s, but sadly as things are, they are either 'forced' out or keep exceedingly quiet, scared of losing their jobs.
'A plague on both your houses'.

There is nothing to suggest the Labour party are any less electable that the current crop of fckwits that have presided over policies that have decimated social provision and cricified the least well off, plan on giving yet more tax cuts to those least deserving and of course have made a total mess of Brexit. Five years of socialism would absolute not ruin this country any more than the Tories have managed already. In fact, I find it incredible that Labour are always painted as the ones who damage the economy when nearly all the the economic fck ups that I can remember have happened on the Tory watch.

 

[Surf's Up]

We are about to enter the final phase of the UK's humiliation in the world.

Its only fitting the lead architect of the mess he created should now take charge

He wasn't the architect he wasn't even the draughtsman, more like the office junior who saw a chance and took it.

 

[Trufflehound]

In fact, I find it incredible that Labour are always painted as the ones who damage the economy when nearly all the the economic fck ups that I can remember have happened on the Tory watch.

Not incredible at all given the way the rabidly Tory press delight in manipulating the minds of the gullible masses.

 

[Simster]

Not incredible at all given the way the rabidly Tory press delight in manipulating the minds of the gullible masses.

True, sadly. People just believe what they're told. Even this round of austerity was blamed on mishandling of public funds by Labour, but it really was total nonsense swallowed by the gullible. Anyone who knows the first thing about Keynsian economics recognises that a public sector borrowing requirement is a necessity, and I don't recall anything Labour did that left us in a state as shocking as the one the Tories have left us in now. The Tories have been an absolute disaster for some sectors of society, and they are ruining the economy with some terrible policies.

 

[cheshunt seagull]

It is like a choice between syphilis and dysentery. I guess that I would chose Hunt as he more closely resembles an adult but with extreme reluctance.

I can see the argument voiced on here that Johnson could cause a national wake up ‘ how the fxxk did we get here’ moment but I thought that about Trump. Another argument that could be made for Johnson is to observe that May was always trying to over-compensate to the Brexit death cult in the party. On the other hand Johnson lies, makes racist comments, and is a slimy, dishonest and incompetent sxxt and they they will definitely see him as one of their own and may cut him more slack.

 

[BLOCK F]

There is nothing to suggest the Labour party are any less electable that the current crop of fckwits that have presided over policies that have decimated social provision and cricified the least well off, plan on giving yet more tax cuts to those least deserving and of course have made a total mess of Brexit. Five years of socialism would absolute not ruin this country any more than the Tories have managed already. In fact, I find it incredible that Labour are always painted as the ones who damage the economy when nearly all the the economic fck ups that I can remember have happened on the Tory watch.

Good Morning Simster; not for the first time, we disagree.
Not going to spend today keyboarding as it is my birthday and I have better things to do.
P.S. I just hope that your five years of Corbyn/McDonnell socialism are never put to the test and I take some comfort that the good citizens in the middle -class enclave that is Reigate, will almost certainly agree with me.

 

[Simster]

Good Morning Simster; not for the first time, we disagree.
Not going to spend today keyboarding as it is my birthday and I have better things to do.

Happy birthday BLOCK F.

(I assume you won't be spending it at a food bank or worrying about your next universal credit cheque)

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Happy Boris day everyone

Xx

 

[thejackal]

I’m proud to say I voted Boris. He will be great.

It’s time our Prime Minister’s returned to be cheerleaders for the country with others doing the work. May was a detail fanatic disaster. At least Boris has lived a life.

Proud to vote for a racist, self-interested bully. Nice.

 

[Hereford Gull]

As one of the over 60 white male Tory members alowed to vote, reluctantly I voted for Hunt as the 'least worse' option, neither inspire but Boris scares me. When (not if) he is confirmed at 11 today i'll be cancelling my membership and joining the LibDems, Jo at least gives me some confidence that there are sensible people in politics.

 

[nicko31]

As one of the over 60 white male Tory members alowed to vote, reluctantly I voted for Hunt as the 'least worse' option, neither inspire but Boris scares me. When (not if) he is confirmed at 11 today i'll be cancelling my membership and joining the LibDems, Jo at least gives me some confidence that there are sensible people in politics.

I think you speak for many moderate Tories.

The party is moving away from a broad church towards a right wing sect. It didn't have to be this way, but they chose to cave into the nationalists and now they will pay the ultimate price and lose more than they will gain. Only 1 in 4 want a no deal Brexit

 

[BLOCK F]

Happy birthday BLOCK F.

(I assume you won't be spending it at a food bank or worrying about your next universal credit cheque)

Thanks Sim.
No, thankfully, but we do donate.