[Football] Joey Barton

[Guinness Boy]

Yep. He wouldn't be the first ex-player / manager to drop down a hole.

I assumed he had oddly (based on his relatively recent "pollical" history) lurched to the right, but there is something else going on here.

Starts with bitterness towards television presenters, then conspiracy theory. Posting libellous content with seemingly no regard to the outcome to him himself.

Some bizarre attacks at the family members of certain politicians and likening female footballers to serial killers.

A few years ago he was standing up against homophobia in football. Somethings up...

Hope he finds help quickly.

Yep he needs a good friend to take his phone away and check him into rehab/send him to get help.

I don't like the guy but it feels like he is having a breakdown in public and thats not okay for anyone.

Sorry fellas, I don’t buy this at all.

He got the tin tack at Rovers and then did an interview about his brother and the supposed “injustice” of his conviction for a racist murder, which went down like a cold cup of sick.

He realised that he’d possibly made himself unhirable but got a lot of attention and moved on to what I believe is his genuine opinion on female pundits. And, because of the hateful way X works now he got even more attention.

Since then he’s simply weaponised and monetised controversial right wing populism and conspiracy theory. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if Le Tiss and he were talking about the best way to make a nice living from it. Yesterday he was on to anti vaxx nonsense.

He’s always been a thick little populist. Adopting a French accent to ingratiate himself with Marseille, taking on homophobia when he thought that was trendy. Watch his Question Time - he doesn’t have a single original opinion.

He’s just grifting for money. Most of them are. It’s the fools who read and repeat conspiracy theories who have the mental health issues.

 

[nicko31]

Sorry fellas, I don’t buy this at all.

He got the tin tack at Rovers and then did an interview about his brother and the supposed “injustice” of his conviction for a racist murder, which went down like a cold cup of sick.

He realised that he’d possibly made himself unhirable but got a lot of attention and moved on to what I believe is his genuine opinion on female pundits. And, because of the hateful way X works now he got even more attention.

Since then he’s simply weaponised and monetised controversial right wing populism and conspiracy theory. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if Le Tiss and he were talking about the best way to make a nice living from it. Yesterday he was on to anti vaxx nonsense.

He’s always been a thick little populist. Adopting a French accent to ingratiate himself with Marseille, taking on homophobia when he thought that was trendy. Watch his Question Time - he doesn’t have a single original opinion.

He’s just grifting for money. Most of them are. It’s the fools who read and repeat conspiracy theories who have the mental health issues.

I had a quick lot on X, he really has very little to offer. An average footballer desperate to stay relevant

 

[BadFish]

Sorry fellas, I don’t buy this at all.

He got the tin tack at Rovers and then did an interview about his brother and the supposed “injustice” of his conviction for a racist murder, which went down like a cold cup of sick.

He realised that he’d possibly made himself unhirable but got a lot of attention and moved on to what I believe is his genuine opinion on female pundits. And, because of the hateful way X works now he got even more attention.

Since then he’s simply weaponised and monetised controversial right wing populism and conspiracy theory. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if Le Tiss and he were talking about the best way to make a nice living from it. Yesterday he was on to anti vaxx nonsense.

He’s always been a thick little populist. Adopting a French accent to ingratiate himself with Marseille, taking on homophobia when he thought that was trendy. Watch his Question Time - he doesn’t have a single original opinion.

He’s just grifting for money. Most of them are. It’s the fools who read and repeat conspiracy theories who have the mental health issues.

You might be right. I am certainly not going to spend too much time defending the twerp

 

[Stat Brother]

Sorry fellas, I don’t buy this at all.

He got the tin tack at Rovers and then did an interview about his brother and the supposed “injustice” of his conviction for a racist murder, which went down like a cold cup of sick.

He realised that he’d possibly made himself unhirable but got a lot of attention and moved on to what I believe is his genuine opinion on female pundits. And, because of the hateful way X works now he got even more attention.

Since then he’s simply weaponised and monetised controversial right wing populism and conspiracy theory. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if Le Tiss and he were talking about the best way to make a nice living from it. Yesterday he was on to anti vaxx nonsense.

He’s always been a thick little populist. Adopting a French accent to ingratiate himself with Marseille, taking on homophobia when he thought that was trendy. Watch his Question Time - he doesn’t have a single original opinion.

He’s just grifting for money. Most of them are. It’s the fools who read and repeat conspiracy theories who have the mental health issues.

So we'll put you down as a 'maybe' then, ok?

 

[BBassic]

You could compare it to the video of JP van Hecke fumbling the ball into his own net yesterday whilst completely unchallenged and then realise you can make anyone look complete dogshit by selectively choosing clips of them being uncharacteristically shit at something they otherwise excel at

The entire industry of reality television is built on this. Taking clips and editing them to fit a narrative.

I do some editing myself for a hobby and it's shockingly easy to do.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Sorry fellas, I don’t buy this at all.

He got the tin tack at Rovers and then did an interview about his brother and the supposed “injustice” of his conviction for a racist murder, which went down like a cold cup of sick.

He realised that he’d possibly made himself unhirable but got a lot of attention and moved on to what I believe is his genuine opinion on female pundits. And, because of the hateful way X works now he got even more attention.

Since then he’s simply weaponised and monetised controversial right wing populism and conspiracy theory. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if Le Tiss and he were talking about the best way to make a nice living from it. Yesterday he was on to anti vaxx nonsense.

He’s always been a thick little populist. Adopting a French accent to ingratiate himself with Marseille, taking on homophobia when he thought that was trendy. Watch his Question Time - he doesn’t have a single original opinion.

He’s just grifting for money. Most of them are. It’s the fools who read and repeat conspiracy theories who have the mental health issues.

Certainly knows Yaxley-Lennon.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Sorry fellas, I don’t buy this at all.

He got the tin tack at Rovers and then did an interview about his brother and the supposed “injustice” of his conviction for a racist murder, which went down like a cold cup of sick.

He realised that he’d possibly made himself unhirable but got a lot of attention and moved on to what I believe is his genuine opinion on female pundits. And, because of the hateful way X works now he got even more attention.

Since then he’s simply weaponised and monetised controversial right wing populism and conspiracy theory. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if Le Tiss and he were talking about the best way to make a nice living from it. Yesterday he was on to anti vaxx nonsense.

He’s always been a thick little populist. Adopting a French accent to ingratiate himself with Marseille, taking on homophobia when he thought that was trendy. Watch his Question Time - he doesn’t have a single original opinion.

He’s just grifting for money. Most of them are. It’s the fools who read and repeat conspiracy theories who have the mental health issues.

I agree with this in principle but I differ slightly regarding “ the fools who read and repeat conspiracy theories”. The ones I have come across seem thick and gullible and unable to (critically) think for themselves, as opposed to have mental health issues. Genuine question, is there a focus on critical thinking directly or indirectly in UK schools?

 

[tstanbur]

You could compare it to the video of JP van Hecke fumbling the ball into his own net yesterday whilst completely unchallenged and then realise you can make anyone look complete dogshit by selectively choosing clips of them being uncharacteristically shit at something they otherwise excel at

Poor comparison.

Huge difference to a player making a single big mistake in a split second in the middle of a proper game.

Aluku knew exactly what she was being asked to do and managed to monumentally f*** it up multiple times in a short period. Regardless of editing etc

 

[Man of Harveys]

If everyone just ignored him he would go away…

 

[Guinness Boy]

I agree with this in principle but I differ slightly regarding “ the fools who read and repeat conspiracy theories”. The ones I have come across seem thick and gullible and unable to (critically) think for themselves, as opposed to have mental health issues. Genuine question, is there a focus on critical thinking directly or indirectly in UK schools?

It might just be the ones I’ve met and the one infamous one on here, but they all had heavy drug use, and the associated paranoia in common. One exception, my brother in law, who is into the lot including chemtrails, instead has severe PTSD and very little hearing after three stints in the army.

However, from what my kids tell me, schools today tell you what to think and not how to think.

 

[Eric the meek]

If everyone just ignored him he would go away…

My guess is that we're past that stage.

 

[The Hermit Kingdom]

It might just be the ones I’ve met and the one infamous one on here, but they all had heavy drug use, and the associated paranoia in common. One exception, my brother in law, who is into the lot including chemtrails, instead has severe PTSD and very little hearing after three stints in the army.

However, from what my kids tell me, schools today tell you what to think and not how to think.

I share your experience, of the only two people I know that buy into that stuff, one a big David Icke advocate, the other into conspiracy stuff by Russell Brand and some American guy, one has a personality disorder and the other mental health issues and is on antipsychotic meds.

 

[aolstudios]

You could compare it to the video of JP van Hecke fumbling the ball into his own net yesterday whilst completely unchallenged and then realise you can make anyone look complete dogshit by selectively choosing clips of them being uncharacteristically shit at something they otherwise excel at

This ^

 

[Berty23]

Poor comparison.

Huge difference to a player making a single big mistake in a split second in the middle of a proper game.

Aluku knew exactly what she was being asked to do and managed to monumentally f*** it up multiple times in a short period. Regardless of editing etc

What if a player signs for Barca or Real Madrid and knows they will have to do some ball juggling? Basic skill that a crap mid 40s body in ruins can do.

 

[hart's shirt]

He’s always been a thick little populist. Adopting a French accent to ingratiate himself with Marseille, taking on homophobia when he thought that was trendy. Watch his Question Time - he doesn’t have a single original opinion.

He’s just grifting for money. Most of them are. It’s the fools who read and repeat conspiracy theories who have the mental health issues.

For me, this is it. He's currently nothing more than a grifter.

Sometimes it's just a case of Occam's Razor - things can be kept as simple as possible. If a child walks into a hospital with a saucepan stuck on their head, we don't need to employ someone to wear a saucepan on their head to identify with how the child is feeling. Likening it to a mental health issue is doing a tremendous disservice to those who struggle with mental health issues, but don't feel the need or have the desire to act like Barton does. If everything is mental health, nothing is mental health.

The only bit I'd possibly swap would be changing 'thick' for 'calculating and manipulative'. Barton's clever in as much as he knows what he's doing is creating a space for himself in media, albeit a highly divisive one that few would wish to willingly populate. For him and for many like him, the Wildean quote rings true - the only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about. And for talking, read clicks, likes, views, eyeballs, retweets, reposts and comments. 19 pages and counting on NSC might suggest that he's winning.

Truth is worth defending at all costs and it wouldn't be uncaring or vindictive to want to see him reap the consequences of his actions by facing legal action for at least one of his recent posts. At the risk of making him a martyr, that might be a future deterrent to both him and others who may be emboldened and see him as an example to follow. And it may just be the medicine that he needs to take for his future health, mental or otherwise.

 

[tstanbur]

What if a player signs for Barca or Real Madrid and knows they will have to do some ball juggling? Basic skill that a crap mid 40s body in ruins can do.

That’s a much better comparison. They’re clearly all shit too

 

[Garyoldfan]

What if a player signs for Barca or Real Madrid and knows they will have to do some ball juggling? Basic skill that a crap mid 40s body in ruins can do.

Did any of those players turn out ok ? Genuine question. Not up on my Spanish football.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I can see positions where the individuals quality should be the only consideration. No big deal if ladies are given a chance to gain experience and popularity as pundits or commentators though. Is it really damaging to have more black faces/women on TV adverts? The fact is, in most of the places where a meritocracy is important, we have never had it, we have had a succession of old Etonians running the country, and an overwhelmingly white Police Force. In your field, maybe there are too few suitable people that "tick the boxes" currently, or maybe you just need to acclimatise to the different accents. I agree, that some people will get a position they do not deserve or merit, but what a rarity to have that advantage by being black or female, and not because of where you went to school, your accent, or who your Daddy was.

I laid it on a bit thick in my post to make a point. I wasn't ever actually racist. In my line of work, academic drug research, it is global. That said we are aware that people from a certain country have a reputation of being able to generate any data that fits in with what the boss 'wants' (which sadly makes them 'good workers' in the eyes of some). People from another country have a reputation for being unreliable and unproductive. We are talking about actual foreigners here, not British citizens of diverse heritage. I personally only employ Brits (of diverse heritage). My experience with Brits is that heritage is irrelevant. And simply as a consequence of who has applied, 95% of my former PhD students are women.

However the point I wanted to make is that it can be very easy to develop antibodies in response to the way someone talks. When I started my PhD, we had regular guest lecturers. When one bloke started his talk, his English was quite poor, and I sort of slumped in my seat. Afterwards my supervisor called me an 'arrogant ****' with the good fortune of having his own language as the lingua franca of science. I gave my head a wobble and have tried ever since to listen to what people are saying rather than how they are saying it. I do carry some confirmation biases, but it is possible to learn to override them.

In my workplace recruitment is done by the book, with set questions at interview and, for studentships, even removal of trigger data (such as the identity of the applicant's previous institution so we don't let the oxbridge bias influence shortlisting). We once tried to create schemes to recruit students (into BSc programmes) from deprived backgrounds, but this was dropped when those students failed to thrive. One, unfortunately, went to the press accusing my institute of racism. She had failed her exams multiple times. She brought no case against my institution, and simply went to the press. Not very helpful. I favour access for all, but at a certain point you cross the rubicon that separates 'different' from 'underqualified'. To quote Peter Cook, "You have almost all the attributes to play the part of Tarzan. Your left leg is a wonderful leg. I have nothing against it. The problem is, neither do you" .

 

[Eric the meek]

For me, this is it. He's currently nothing more than a grifter.

Truth is worth defending at all costs and it wouldn't be uncaring or vindictive to want to see him reap the consequences of his actions by facing legal action for at least one of his recent posts. At the risk of making him a martyr, that might be a future deterrent to both him and others who may be emboldened and see him as an example to follow. And it may just be the medicine that he needs to take for his future health, mental or otherwise.

It might be brinkmanship, but legal action would appear to be what he actually wants. He also seems to be developing something of a siege mentality.

This is his Sunday message, complete with veiled threats ('I don’t want to have to exhume some bodies'), but ends with a presumably disingenuous #namaste.

 

[Baldseagull]

Poor comparison.

Huge difference to a player making a single big mistake in a split second in the middle of a proper game.

Aluku knew exactly what she was being asked to do and managed to monumentally f*** it up multiple times in a short period. Regardless of editing etc

Aluku maybe after a couple of hours with a bottle in the green room though? We know Van Hecke was preparing for his game, has top level coaching all week, is match sharp, has his football boots on etc. But for all we know, Aluku may have been up all night on the piss, be wearing fashionable shoes, and not have her contact lenses in.