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Jimmy Carr - I do not pay a penny more tax than I have to.



Uncle Spielberg

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Jul 6, 2003
43,097
Lancing
Jimmy Carr paying 1% tax and does not seem to be bothered. What do you think ?

Prime Minister David Cameron has said the tax arrangements of comedian Jimmy Carr are "not morally right".

Carr is understood to be a member of a legal, but aggressive tax avoidance scheme, which is said to be sheltering £168m a year from the Treasury.

According to the Times, Carr told an audience on Tuesday: "I pay what I have to and not a penny more."

HM Revenue and Customs has said it is taking "firm action to protect the Exchequer from unacceptable tax loss".

More than 1,000 people, including Carr, are thought to be using the Jersey-based K2 scheme.

Under it, an individual resigns from their company and any salary they subsequently receive is paid to an offshore trust.

The individual then receives a small amount of that as salary and the rest as a loan, which because it can technically be recalled, does not attract tax.

'Preparing to litigate'
Carr was reportedly confronted over his financial arrangements during a show in Tunbridge Wells, in Kent, by an audience member who shouted: "You don't pay tax."

His lawyers have insisted he has done nothing wrong, but the Treasury has said K2 is already being investigated.

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Most common tax avoidance schemes
According to the Times, the K2 scheme allows someone on an income of £280,000 to reduce their tax bill from £127,000 to just £3,500.

The BBC News Channel's chief political correspondent Norman Smith said having waded into the row, there would now be huge political pressure on David Cameron and Chancellor George Osborne to take action against the individuals and schemes concerned.

In his Budget speech in March, Mr Osborne described illegal tax evasion and legal, but aggressive tax avoidance as "morally repugnant".

The Times is also reporting that Take That band members Gary Barlow, Howard Donald and Mark Owen have used another partnership run by Icebreaker Management Services.

It provides tax relief in return for investments in the music industry.

The newspaper quoted lawyers for Barlow, Owen, Donald and their manager Jonathan Wild who said all four paid significant tax and did not believe the Icebreaker programme was a tax avoidance scheme.

HMRC said it had already successfully challenged one avoidance scheme run by Icebreaker, which it refers to as Icebreaker 1.

"This type of scheme will fail where there is circular borrowing which serves no economic purpose or which cannot, in fact, be used in a trade," a spokesman said.

"We are now preparing to litigate Icebreaker 2 but for legal reasons cannot say more at this time.

"We examine the implementation of avoidance schemes in detail and will not let any aspect of these cases go unchallenged."

'Outrageous'

The spokesman added: "We have taken firm action to protect the Exchequer from unacceptable tax loss.

"We do not accept that the Icebreaker tax avoidance schemes have the tax effects their promoters claim."

A spokesman for Icebreaker Management Services Ltd said the firm "recognises the need for the proper administration and collection of taxes, and that it is essential that anyone who seeks to make use of tax relief does so properly and within the law".

"Abuse of the tax system for personal gain is, of course, never acceptable," he added.

Writing in the Sun on Wednesday, Chief Secretary to the Treasury Danny Alexander said most people found it "outrageous" that the wealthiest people were using "ever more obscure and underhand" methods to avoid tax.

"Frankly, I think people who dodge the tax system are the moral equivalent of benefit cheats," he said.

And he added: "No matter how rich or famous you are, we are coming to get you."
 








Triggaaar

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Oct 24, 2005
53,187
Goldstone
That's actually quite upsetting
 


n1 gull

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Jul 25, 2003
4,639
Hurstpierpoint
Jimmy Carr is really going to suffer as he does loads of political stuff and now he's going to cop a load of grief.
Stuff the lot of them, can't stand this tax evasion shit
 




Addick

New member
Jan 20, 2008
184
I really dislike Jimmy Carr for his sneering arrogance. If this is true.......great


Hang him
 


itszamora

Go Jazz Go
Sep 21, 2003
7,282
London
Can HMRC not just order all these trusts to recall their "loans" to the likes of Carr? Probably not, but it would be quite funny if they could.
 


Lush

Mods' Pet
It used to be perfectly acceptable to find ways to hide your money from the tax man, who was very much the big bad wolf. There have been threads on how to avoid Stamp Duty etc on this very board. I wonder if attitudes are changing?
 




If only Jimmy had said that he pays as much tax as an MP.

Lush, it's very simple...if you're rich you hire a good accountant to find you the best tax loophole...once that 1 closes you move on to the next one. If you run out of loopholes, just wait for the Conservative government to create a whole new 1 for you, there will be a new one along very shortly. Attitudes will never change as far as the wealthy are concerned.
 
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vegster

Sanity Clause
May 5, 2008
28,273
Kind of embarrassing for Gary Barlow to be exposed like this so soon after his gong.
 








pauli cee

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Jan 21, 2009
2,366
worthing
all the time there are no laws against this, you can kind of understand people doing it,
although, yes, i agree, it is morally wrong...
(by the way, i do everything i can to pay less tax too, but that's because i'm pretty skint!)
 


Pavilionaire

Well-known member
Jul 7, 2003
31,269
Part of the appeal of Jimmy Carr's 'act' is the "f*** you" attitude of his humour. However, I don't think I'll find him quite as funny now I know I'm paying a shedload more tax than he is.

As for "aggressive tax avoidance" the government and HMRC have to focus their energies on closing these loopholes. The reason Greece and these other Mediterranean countries are f***ed is because they don't pay enough tax. If everyone in the UK did a Jimmy Carr we'd be like Greece too.

As an accountant I'm familiar with these tax avoidance schemes and I steer well clear of them because most are shut down within a year or so anyway.
 




Triggaaar

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Oct 24, 2005
53,187
Goldstone
It used to be perfectly acceptable to find ways to hide your money from the tax man, who was very much the big bad wolf. There have been threads on how to avoid Stamp Duty etc on this very board. I wonder if attitudes are changing?
There's a difference between someone who's doing quite well trying to save a bit, and someone who is rich trying to not pay a penny. Personally I think stamp duty can be quite unfair. It's not taxing the rich, but taxing anyone in the south who is stupid enough to have to move house. Jimmy Carr and Take That however - I am shocked at just how extreme their tax dodging is, and I wish they be made to pay.
 






Triggaaar

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Oct 24, 2005
53,187
Goldstone
What about racing drivers who 'live' in Monaco?
If they're travelling all the time, don't stay here much, and they are within the accepted rules, I'm ok with it. No doubt Monaco are charging them 25% or something. But to just set-up a fake loan (one that you will never pay back) and not pay any tax at all (1% or so) is sickening.
 




Vegas Seagull

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Jul 10, 2009
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VAT is payable on every ticket he sell so HMRC are receiving £4? for everyone at his show, so if, for example, he plays to 100k a year, that's £400k more into the central pot than if he just sat on Nikki Beach in Marbella drinking fizz
 


Triggaaar

Well-known member
Oct 24, 2005
53,187
Goldstone
VAT is payable on every ticket he sell so HMRC are receiving £4? for everyone at his show, so if, for example, he plays to 100k a year, that's £400k more into the central pot than if he just sat on Nikki Beach in Marbella drinking fizz
Not necessarily, as if they didn't buy his tickets they could have spent the money on something else.
 


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