True.
But the problem is spotting them (as opposed to those who are playing at that level because that is the highest level they can ever aspire to). We did it with Zamora and Peter Ward, but it doesn't always work that way!
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JFC in the final U21 squad for European Championship
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True.
But the problem is spotting them (as opposed to those who are playing at that level because that is the highest level they can ever aspire to). We did it with Zamora and Peter Ward, but it doesn't always work that way!
Had you considered that it just might be easier to find space, win tackles, and have time on the ball to pick a pass, playing against Conference South part timers than against Championship midfielders?
I don't know, I didn't see them. I am disagreeing with your suggestion that if a player is good enough to oust someone from a championship side they would already have done it and not be playing for a team like Whitehawk, and thus the fact they are currently playing there means they can't possibly be better JFC.
The guy from Burgess Hill went to the Development Squad of a premier league team.....not quite the same thing. I don't think he played any prem minutes.
Good to hear there are so many players in non-league in Sussex that are so much better than current England u21 Internationals and that they are not being grabbed by any pro teams. Whitehawk must be paying them LOADS.
Thunder Bolt
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I'm fascinated that you know better than all our scouts, the past four Brighton managers and England youth managers. What position do you have in the FA or Football League? It must be very important as you have so much knowledge.
Geestar
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Spot on!
Isn't it unbelievable that, whilst we should be celebrating the fact that one of our own is representing England at a prestigious tournament, irrespective of whether you appreciate or not his ability, people still think it productive to slate the guy.
jamie the seagull
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- Jul 27, 2011
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Great lad and a credit to the club.
It must be hard to play for England one minute and then come home and play with the crap we have put out this year.
Personally felt he needed a rest in the period before Xmas when the summer tournament appeared to affect him.
Each time he takes the field he is playing out of position.
Having seen him play he should be played off the front man.
It must be hard to play for England one minute and then come home and play with the crap we have put out this year.
Personally felt he needed a rest in the period before Xmas when the summer tournament appeared to affect him.
Each time he takes the field he is playing out of position.
Having seen him play he should be played off the front man.
Of course I have - and its not always correct to assume that footballers have less time on the ball in non league than in the league.
Incidentally John Paul Kissock, a graduate of the Everton academy, played for Everton in Europe, was an England under 16 and under 18, and England C player himself, and was highly regarded both in the English and Scottish League sides he has played in ( I dont remember Oxford United rating Jake Forster Caskey so highly)- and I can see why. His career has been blighted by injury, and I suspect he may have been overlooked because of his size, and maybe his attitude. I suspect JFC is a good lad and tries to do does what the manager wants but that doesnt make him a technically great player. It is my view that John Paul Kissock, is a better all round midfield player than JFC. I remember thinking the same kind of thing, when for example, I saw Steve Penney and Ian Wright play together in a trial match for Albion reserves - Ian Wright (playing non league for Greenwich Borough) looked better in my view but for some reason we didnt sign him, we signed Penney. Wright signed for Palace. Who was right then - all the Abion Scouts and management?
Jaoa Teixeira was in a premier league development squad, too. As was Jesse Lingard. Jordon Ibe. Quite a few premier league development players go out on loan and prove successful at championship sides.
I didn't limit it to non-league sussex. Also, I didn't say that those 'loads' would all necessarily unseat JFC, but that they could "do well in the Championship".
Maybe "there are loads" over states it a bit. Over time, there has been loads. Les Ferdinand, Stuart Pearce, Vinnie Jones all went from non league to top flight football, granted that was a different time. But the 'different time' thing works both ways. There wasn't then a culture of 'let's spend money getting a foreign player in because the English player is demanding too much/fans like exotic signings', that make it harder for English players who are good enough to get the opportunity to jump up and show it.
Rookie suggested that every player that is good enough to play at a higher level is already there. That a player playing in the non league team can't possibly be good enough to play at a higher level simply because he is currently playing non-league.
That isn't true. Every transfer window sees players move up and down the pyramid and sees players from lower levels proving a success at higher levels.
Hampster Gull
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- Dec 22, 2010
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Saw the play off final and there was NO ONE om that pitch anywhere close to JFC in terms of ability
nwgull
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Also worth noting that Hull's academy was category 3 this season (they just got upgrade to Cat 2 for next year) so he wouldn't have even been playing in the top tier of the DS league structure, unlike the Albion DS players.
Reagulls
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Does my seat at the Amex from which I saw every home game he played in count as a sofa?
- Jan 3, 2012
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That's why he'll be in the England U21 squad, then. Looks like a few other people need to sort their glasses out.
I didnt see that match - I dont think that any of the Whitehawk team played very well in that match. But I still disagree, and I base my views on seeing JFC in many matches this season. Torres is also a much better player in terms of vision and passing ability than JFC, for example. What specifically is better about JFC than either Torres or John Paul Kissock. ( I also happen to think
Sam Deering and Jake Robinson are better players than JFC too)
- Jan 3, 2012
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There's a strange sort of logic there. You have a point, sir.
Absolutely
nwgull
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Why then are they all playing non league and JFC is being consistently selected for an international 11 that's full of Premier League and Championship first team players?
Thats the really baffling bit - ive tried to explain briefly why some of the Whitehawk players are better technically than JFC - as an extreme example. I suspect there are many other non league and league players, including other Albion players, who are better technically than JFC too. I suspect he is selected because he can do the job asked of him by England under 21s. I saw no evidence of any outstanding ability on his part when playing for Albion this season. I dont think he is a dreadful player - probably conference premier or league 2 at best. As an Albion product I`d love him to do well, and I`d love him to prove me wrong.