[News] Jezza Corbyn and his health ?

[wellquickwoody]

I am no fan of Corbyn but I could NEVER not vote Labour and help the bunch of Tory *******s run this country. My hatred for everything they stand for goes much deeper than any concern I have about JC.

Do you not think that there are different kinds of Tories? I grant you that some like JRM and BJ come across as upper class twats that are only looking to line not only their own pockets, but those of their family and friends also. At the other end of the scale is the likes of Ken Clarke, Damien Green and Anna Soubray.

There are different kinds of Labour supporters/members/ politicians. I have massive respect for the Hove MP Peter Kyle, John Smith was the best PM that Labour never had. But the likes of Corbyn & McDonnell would make it impossible for me to vote for Labour right now.

But it seems you cannot see any good whatsoever in the Conservative party. Is that not a little blinkered?

 

[GT49er]

Do you not think that there are different kinds of Tories? I grant you that some like JRM and BJ come across as upper class twats that are only looking to line not only their own pockets, but those of their family and friends also. At the other end of the scale is the likes of Ken Clarke, Damien Green and Anna Soubray.

There are different kinds of Labour supporters/members/ politicians. I have massive respect for the Hove MP Peter Kyle, John Smith was the best PM that Labour never had. But the likes of Corbyn & McDonnell would make it impossible for me to vote for Labour right now.

But it seems you cannot see any good whatsoever in the Conservative party. Is that not a little blinkered?

So basically you think tories are alright if they want to stop Brexit................

 

[The Clamp]

Very good.


So where does his love affair with Hammas and Hezbullah fit in with your eulogy?





BTW, This question comes from someone who thinks Israeli expansionism is shit (settlements and all that greed), and should be condemned, and support withdrawn from America (sod the Jewish lobby). So I'm not supporting them either .......... anti-Zionism is not anti-semitism.-

You Sir, are a moron. As is Corbyn.

 

[wellquickwoody]

So basically you think tories are alright if they want to stop Brexit................

I am/was a firm remainer. Brexit has already hit my personal finances quite significantly, more than any other individual that I know. No doubt there are others in the same or worse position than me.

As for stopping Brexit now? Boxxocks to that. The UK is currently a basket case, cannot move forwards without moving backwards in the same moment. To go back to the EU would entail the use of a begging bowl, not a pretty sight. The UK should leave as quickly as possible, deal or no deal. It is the only way to escape the ridiculous situation that exists right now.

I personally think the UK will be worse off outside of the EU, I hope I am wrong for the sake of friends and family.

There is just a little bit of me that wants those who voted to leave to see their life impacted in the same way that I have been. Selfish I know.

 

[The Clamp]

I am/was a firm remainer. Brexit has already hit my personal finances quite significantly, more than any other individual that I know. No doubt there are others in the same or worse position than me.

As for stopping Brexit now? Boxxocks to that. The UK is currently a basket case, cannot move forwards without moving backwards in the same moment. To go back to the EU would entail the use of a begging bowl, not a pretty sight. The UK should leave as quickly as possible, deal or no deal. It is the only way to escape the ridiculous situation that exists right now.

I personally think the UK will be worse off outside of the EU, I hope I am wrong for the sake of friends and family.

There is just a little bit of me that wants those who voted to leave to see their life impacted in the same way that I have been. Selfish I know.

It would be fine to stay.

“Sorry, don’t know what that last lot thought they were doing. Anyway, some intelligent folks are here now so forget the Brexit thing. As you were”
Be forgotten in six months.

 

[Cheshire Cat]

Corbyn won't be any worse that the bumbling idiots trying to become leader ofthe Conservative party.

Were loose.

 

[lawros left foot]

I am no fan of Corbyn but I could NEVER not vote Labour and help the bunch of Tory *******s run this country. My hatred for everything they stand for goes much deeper than any concern I have about JC.

This, completely and utterly.

 

[SollysLeftFoot]

Yes I mean look at all these Jew Hating things Corbyn has done:_

1. In October 1936, Jeremy Corbyn’s mother participated in the battle of Cable Street indefence of British Jews after British fascists had staged an assault on the area. Corbyn was raised in a household passionately opposed to antisemitism in all its forms.

2. In 23rd April 1977, Corbyn organised a counter-demonstrationto protect Wood Green from a neo-nazi march through the district. The area had a significant Jewish population.

3. On 7 November 1990, Corbyn signed a motion condemning the rise of antisemitism in the UK

4. In 2002 Jeremy Corbyn led a clean-up and vigil at Finsbury Park Synagogue which had been vandalised in an anti-Semitic attack

5. On 30 April 2002, Corbyn tabled a motion in the House of Commons condemning ananti-Semitic attackon a London Synagogue

6. On 26 November 2003, Jeremy Corbyn signed a Parliamentary motion condemningterrorist attacks on two synagogues

7. In February 2009, Jeremy Corbyn signed a parliamentary motion condemning a fascist for establishing a website to host antisemitic materials

8. On 24th March 2009, Corbyn signed a Parliamentary motion praising British Jews who resisted the Holocaust by risking their lives to save potential victims

9. Nine years ago, Corbyn signed a Parliamentary motion praising “Jewish News”for its pioneering investigation into the spread ofAntisemitism on Facebook

10. On 9 February 2010, Corbyn signed a Parliamentary motion calling for an investigation into Facebook and its failure to prevent the spread of antisemitic materials on its site.

11. On 27 October 2010, Corbyn signed a Parliamentary motion praising the late Israeli Prime Minister for pursuing a two state solution to the Israel/Palestine question.

12. On 13 June 2012, Corbyn sponsored and signed a motion condemning the BBC for cutting a Jewish Community television programme from its schedule.

13. 1 October 2013, Corbyn appeared on the BBC to defend Ralph Miliband against vile antisemitic attacks by the UK press.

14. Five years ago Corbyn signed a Parliamentary motion condemning antisemitism in sport.

15. On 1 March 2013, Corbyn signed a Parliamentary motion condemning and expressing concern at growing levels of antisemitism in European football.

16. On 9 January 2014, Jeremy Corbyn signed a Parliamentary motion praising Holocaust education programmes that had taken 20,000 British students to Auschwitz.

17. On 22 June 2015, Corbyn signed a Parliamentary motion expressing concern at the neo-nazi march being planned for an area of London with a significant Jewish population.

18. On 9 October 2016, Corbyn, close to tears, commemorated the 1936 Battle of Cable Street and recalled the role his mother played in defending London’s Jewish community.

19. On 3 December 2016, Corbyn made a visit to Terezin Concentration Camp when Jewish people were murdered by the Nazis. It was Jeremy’s third visit to such a camp, all of which were largely unreported in the most read UK papers.

20. Last year, a widely-endorsed 2018 academic report found ninety-five serious reporting failures in the reporting of the LabourAntisemitism story with the worst offenders The Sun, the Mail & the BBC.

21. On 28 February 2016, five months after becoming leader, Jeremy Corbyn appointed Baroness Royall to investigate antisemitism at Oxford University Labour Club.

22. On 27 April 2016 Corbyn suspended an MP pending an investigation into antisemitism.

23. A day later, Corbyn suspended the three times Mayor of London after complaints of antisemitic comments. Party.

24. On 29 April 2016, Corbyn launched an inquiry into the prevalence of antisemitism in the Labour Party. In spite of later changes in how the inquiry was reported, it was initially praised by Jewish community organisations.

25. In Corbyn’s first seven months as leader of the Labour Party, just ten complaints were received about antisemitism. 90% of those were suspended from the Labour Party within 24 hours.

26. In September 2017, Corbyn backed a motion at Labour’s annual conference introducing a new set of rules regarding antisemitism.

27. In the six months that followed the introduction of the new code of conduct, to March 2018, 94% of the fifty-four people accused of antisemitism remained suspended or barred from Labour Party membership. Three of the fifty-four were exonerated.

28. When Jennie Formby became general secretary of the party last year, she appointed a highly-qualified in-house Counsel, as recommended in the Chakrabarti Report.

29. In 2018, Labour almost doubled the size of its staff team handling investigations and dispute processes.

30. Last year, to speed up the handling of antisemitism cases, smaller panels of 3-5 NEC members were established to enable cases to be heard more quickly.

31. Since 2018, every complaint made about antisemitism is allocated its own independent specialist barrister to ensure due process is followed.

32. The entire backlog of cases outstanding upon Jennie Formby becoming General Secretary of the Labour Party was cleared within 6 months of Jennie taking up her post.

33. Since September 2018, Labour has doubled the size of its National Constitutional Committee (NCC) – its senior disciplinary panel – from 11 to 25 members to enable it to process cases more quickly.

34. Under Formby and Labour’s left-run NEC, NCC arranged elections at short notice to ensure the NCC reached its new full capacity without delay.

35. Since later 2018, the NCC routinely convenes a greater number of hearing panels to allow cases to be heard and finalised without delay.

36. In 2018, the NEC established a ‘Procedures Working Group’ to lead reforms in the way disciplinary cases are handled.

37. The NEC adopted the IHRA working definition of antisemitism and all eleven examples of antisemitism attached to it.

38. A rule change agreed at Conference in 2018 means that all serious complaints, including antisemitism, are dealt with nationally to ensure consistency.

39. Last year, Jennie Formby wrote to the admins and moderators of Facebook groups about how they can effectively moderate online spaces and requested that any discriminatory content be reported to the Labour Party for investigation.

40. Since last year, no one outside Labour’s Governance and Legal Unit can be involved in decision-making on antisemitism investigations. This independence allows decisions free from political influence to be taken.

Nice copy and paste, now please provide a source for each and every one of those. You may struggle with finding evidence for the last few in practice as Corbyn’s office admitted involvement in the cases.

Thanks.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

I make it a rule not to ‘do’ politics, especially after a good old drink.
I am going to break both those rules now though because this utter clusterfuvk of a person really grips my sh1t.
I’ve been a soft, limp wristed SNOWFLAKE of a leftie member of the Labour Party* since I’ve been old enough to vote but I can not find it in me to vote for labour while this pr1ck is leading the party.
Sad fact is, a decent Labour Party, with an electable leader would have destroyed this shower of sh1t Tory abomination of a party MONTHS ago.


*despite having served and fought for my country, more than the name calling right wing b@stards who think anyone left wing is a softy, leftist, limp wristed apologist and terrorist sympathiser .



Right then, carry on.
As you were.
Nothing to see here x

I am no fan of Corbyn but I could NEVER not vote Labour and help the bunch of Tory *******s run this country. My hatred for everything they stand for goes much deeper than any concern I have about JC.

All very good points.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

I am/was a firm remainer. Brexit has already hit my personal finances quite significantly, more than any other individual that I know. No doubt there are others in the same or worse position than me.

As for stopping Brexit now? Boxxocks to that. The UK is currently a basket case, cannot move forwards without moving backwards in the same moment. To go back to the EU would entail the use of a begging bowl, not a pretty sight. The UK should leave as quickly as possible, deal or no deal. It is the only way to escape the ridiculous situation that exists right now.

I personally think the UK will be worse off outside of the EU, I hope I am wrong for the sake of friends and family.

There is just a little bit of me that wants those who voted to leave to see their life impacted in the same way that I have been. Selfish I know.

Out of interest how have your finances been impacted? Genuine question, no agenda.

 

[albion534]

Any chance the Tory run papers can smear Corbyn


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[wellquickwoody]

Out of interest how have your finances been impacted? Genuine question, no agenda.

Exchange rates.

 

[BLOCK F]

A little disturbing that civil servants would go running to a right wing newspaper.

The only thing I take from it is that someone, or some people, need sacking.

Just as an aside, I reckon the Times is a fairly centrist paper, but is not a fan of the far left clique running the Labour party.
I think a sensible Labour party run by moderates would get a pretty good press from the Times and the paper is certainly not averse to giving the Tories some welly when it is deserved.
And yes, I read the whole article.

 

[Happy Exile]

I am no fan of Corbyn but I could NEVER not vote Labour and help the bunch of Tory *******s run this country. My hatred for everything they stand for goes much deeper than any concern I have about JC.

I'm with you on the hatred of everything the Tories stand for, but that's why I couldn't vote for a party that has failed to put together an argument or effective opposition against them. There is no such thing as a Brexit that won't hit the poorest the hardest and make everyone worse off. Corbyn knows that yet still claims otherwise. Is he pretending because he falsely thinks it will win him an election, which makes him no better than the Tories? Or is he ignoring reality because he thinks he knows best? That's very Tory too.

I won't vote Labour out of tribal loyalty when the Lib Dems and Greens are doing a better job. When Labour finally realise that Corbyn is the problem, not the solution, and they start to be an actual opposition with teeth against the most shambolic, cruel and self-interested government in living memory, then I might vote for them again. In the meantime if I voted for Labour I'd feel guilty if and when Brexit happens and we see what it does to those already struggling in society.

 

[Ernest]

I make it a rule not to ‘do’ politics, especially after a good old drink.
I am going to break both those rules now though because this utter clusterfuvk of a person really grips my sh1t.
I’ve been a soft, limp wristed SNOWFLAKE of a leftie member of the Labour Party* since I’ve been old enough to vote but I can not find it in me to vote for labour while this pr1ck is leading the party.
Sad fact is, a decent Labour Party, with an electable leader would have destroyed this shower of sh1t Tory abomination of a party MONTHS ago.


*despite having served and fought for my country, more than the name calling right wing b@stards who think anyone left wing is a softy, leftist, limp wristed apologist and terrorist sympathiser .



Right then, carry on.
As you were.
Nothing to see here x

So as a 'member' of the Labour Party you'd have a Tory government and all that entails rather than a Labour government looking out for the vulnerable in society and trying to reverse the cuts that have ruined the country

 

[Ernest]

Just as an aside, I reckon the Times is a fairly centrist paper, but is not a fan of the far left clique running the Labour party.
I think a sensible Labour party run by moderates would get a pretty good press from the Times and the paper is certainly not averse to giving the Tories some welly when it is deserved.
And yes, I read the whole article.

As civil servants sing the official secrets act and have to act in a non partisan manner I look forward to seeing them in court, that is if they exist and isn't just the Times who is owned by a bloke so old he can't even wipe his own arse making up a load of bullshit

 

[wellquickwoody]

As civil servants sing the official secrets act and have to act in a non partisan manner I look forward to seeing them in court, that is if they exist and isn't just the Times who is owned by a bloke so old he can't even wipe his own arse making up a load of bullshit

In their day to day job they have to act in a neutral manner. But like all of us, they also have a personal opinion, just theirs’ is based upon professional judgement.

 

[Bozza]

So as a 'member' of the Labour Party you'd have a Tory government and all that entails rather than a Labour government looking out for the vulnerable in society and trying to reverse the cuts that have ruined the country

You led the way in calling against Corbyn though. The view expressed is just an extension of your own.

I wouldn't vote for Corbyn in any further leadership election, there needs to be a leader who has authority and can actually lead. The experiment has failed at great costs to people's lives

 

[DumLum]

It would be fine to stay.

“Sorry, don’t know what that last lot thought they were doing. Anyway, some intelligent folks are here now so forget the Brexit thing. As you were”
Be forgotten in six months.

There is no way it would be forgotten in six months.

 

[supaseagull]

I make it a rule not to ‘do’ politics, especially after a good old drink.
I am going to break both those rules now though because this utter clusterfuvk of a person really grips my sh1t.
I’ve been a soft, limp wristed SNOWFLAKE of a leftie member of the Labour Party* since I’ve been old enough to vote but I can not find it in me to vote for labour while this pr1ck is leading the party.
Sad fact is, a decent Labour Party, with an electable leader would have destroyed this shower of sh1t Tory abomination of a party MONTHS ago.


*despite having served and fought for my country, more than the name calling right wing b@stards who think anyone left wing is a softy, leftist, limp wristed apologist and terrorist sympathiser .



Right then, carry on.
As you were.
Nothing to see here x

Well said, and I feel exactly as you do.


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