[Albion] Jesy Nelson Little Mix

[Arthur]

Give us some more info - that sounds JUICY!

It's really not!

Ironically I mentioned on a twitter discussion with another fan that it was a shit show on and off the pitch on bank holiday Monday......we lost with a whimper 1-3 to our well followed very thirsty local rivals and had 30 minute queues to get a drink and then run out of beer for the second season running in the same fixture. When I pointed this out to the gentleman who "runs" the bar who had assured a pal of mine a week earlier that it wouldn't happen again I got a volley of abuse so he got a bit back.

The chairman wrote in his programme notes that he was apparently disappointed that a volunteer (the bloke is paid to run the bar.....badly) was abused and one person plastered their views all over social media (one tweet). Apparently I should have gone to speak to him directly......hmmmmm.

I'm flavour of the month again though as I've donated a fridge freezer to the club. Local football....isn't it great!

 

[marcos3263]

The sooner we transition away from being a society of mobile phone zombies the better. I sat behind a very young couple on a train out of Victoria last night, both of them reading paperback books and very loved up, a wonderful sight, their mobile phones ignored on the table.

still not talking to each other then!

 

[Seasider78]

I think there is a whole social media culture of self affirmation which for those with insecurities is a very dangerous environment.

From projecting glorious highlights reels of your life on Facebook to numerous staged Instagram photos I just don’t get it.

It’s a real problem in society and I really feel for the younger generation having to navigate all of this and parents who have to support the fallout from it all

 

[marlowe]

Woman desperate for fame gets it and then finds out a fraction of the world are knobs and gets sad about the things they say... while remaining in the public eye because she needs the validation of others.

Harsh, sad and unfair, but true.

But she's not a woman just "desperate for fame". She's a woman who has chosen a career in the music industry. In order to have a successful career in the music industry as an artist it requires that people know who you are. Fame is part of that package but her priority is probably to be a successful recording artist not merely to be famous.

I'm sure she can take criticism of her musical output which might be well founded and which no doubt has also been levelled at her and her group. But she hasn't complained about that. She accepts that criticism. What she doesn't accept and shouldn't have to are the personal attacks on her appearance.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

But she's not a woman just "desperate for fame". She's a woman who has chosen a career in the music industry. In order to have a successful career in the music industry as an artist it requires that people know who you are. Fame is part of that package but her priority is probably to be a successful recording artist not merely to be famous.

I'm sure she can take criticism of her musical output which might be well founded and which has probably also been levelled at her and her group. But she hasn't complained about that. She accepts that criticism. What she doesn't accept and shouldn't have to are the personal attacks on her appearance.

Franki Bridge had the same problem when she was with the Saturdays.

 

[METALMICKY]

But she's not a woman just "desperate for fame". She's a woman who has chosen a career in the music industry. In order to have a successful career in the music industry as an artist it requires that people know who you are. Fame is part of that package but her priority is probably to be a successful recording artist not merely to be famous.

I'm sure she can take criticism of her musical output which might be well founded and which no doubt has also been levelled at her and her group. But she hasn't complained about that. She accepts that criticism. What she doesn't accept and shouldn't have to are the personal attacks on her appearance.

But your last paragraph is the issue. Her career aside from the musical components is also based on her image hence the style of clothing and plastic surgery. Accordingly, that self image pressure on a legion of your fans who when they don't meet the ' exacting ' standards may fall foul to the admittedly cowardly trolls. Whilst in no way condoning the abuse and being sympathetic to the effects on her could it not be argued that she is part of the problem as opposed to the solution.

 

[Billy the Fish]

Some pretty harsh comments on this thread. Fame and money don't negate what's happening inside your head, anyone can get depression/mental illness. I saw it recently when Danny Rose went public with his depression which attracted all manner of daft comments like how could he be depressed when his job is a footballer earning millions.

JN was just a child when she was thrust into the spotlight, if she already had confidence issues at that point she might never have developed the kind of resilience you need to be in the public eye. Even if that's not the case it must be difficult for anyone to deal with that kind of negativity over a long period of time no matter how confident you are, there's no way it's not getting in your head. It's not just social media either, the tabloid press have a history of going after people.

 

[JJ McClure]

I feel bad now. I shall no longer refer to her as 'the moon faced one'.

 

[jamie (not that one)]

But she's not a woman just "desperate for fame". She's a woman who has chosen a career in the music industry. In order to have a successful career in the music industry as an artist it requires that people know who you are. Fame is part of that package but her priority is probably to be a successful recording artist not merely to be famous.

I'm sure she can take criticism of her musical output which might be well founded and which no doubt has also been levelled at her and her group. But she hasn't complained about that. She accepts that criticism. What she doesn't accept and shouldn't have to are the personal attacks on her appearance.

Did they not form from the X Factor or Britains Got Talent etc? Would you say that's the route most musicians go down or those who want to be fast tracked?

If she wasn't informed by the Cowells of that world that pop music and fame comes with a price - which is a few knob head trolls will be out to get her, then she has been failed by them rather than society.

Should these things happen? Nope. Is it more likely to happen to those in that side of showbusiness rather than, say, the drummer from The Verve etc? Yes of course and they gladly put themselves up for it in hope of making it big.

 

[jamie (not that one)]

Online abuse could be stopped pretty quickly. I don't subscribe to fake accounts etc as if these guys giving players racist abuse were sharing child porn from the same account their IP address would be sourced pretty quickly.

 

[Acker79]

Very sad to read right across the media that the abuse she received on social media was so bad that she attempted suicide, thankfully her then boyfriend found her in time and called the emergency services.

As a parent whose own child, through her own choice, has also been subjected to vile abuse via the trolls, including death threats to both her and other members of my family, the issues thrown up by social media need to be addressed at the highest level.

However another issue has been thrown up re Ms Nelson, if you look at photos of her when she won the X Factor alongside present day ones its clear she's had a fair bit of cosmetic surgery, but doesn't that in itself not only play into the hands of the trolls but also send out the wrong message to young girls who may have issues about their own appearance?


Apologies, to any NSC'ers who are not yet parents, this obviously doesn't apply to you at present, but when and if you are lucky enough to have children, I assure you it will.

I think there's several things that don't sit right with me about this post.
-your own child didn't choose to be subjected to vile abuse, she chose to take part in a TV show. I don't think we should as individuals or a society just accept that choosing to have a public facing career abuse is part and parcel of it, both abuse direct at you for choosing that job, and your family and loved ones.
-There is an incredibly pressure on everyone to look or act a certain way, it is way worse for girls/women in society generally. Bombarded with images of "perfection" that are photoshopped, unhealthy, genetically incredibly thin, value put on women for their attractiveness. Celebrities aren't immune to this, it can be argued they get it worse - how often does that woman down the road get pictured in magazines and newspapers having every aspect of her appearance torn apart?
-Trolls and online abuse affect everyone. Pressure to conform, to live up to some "ideal" affects everyone. Parents, children. Childless, adults. Guardians, aunts, uncles, family friends, decent human beings who look outside themselves. It's nonsense to eliminate anyone who doesn't have kids from the discussion.

It may sound simplistic but staying off social media, unless you have skin thicker than Dougie, would seem to be the answer

Where does that attitude end? Don't like the awful, immoral, way people act, the possibly illegal way they act, just abandon it? Let's not worry about football stopping racism or homophobia, if we don't want to see in football, lets just not go to games?

 

[marlowe]

...........Where does that attitude end? Don't like the awful, immoral, way people act, the possibly illegal way they act, just abandon it? Let's not worry about football stopping racism or homophobia, if we don't want to see in football, lets just not go to games?

Exactly. Or if black players don't want to suffer abuse from the terraces they should not have chosen professional football as a profession? The argument is the same and equally as ridiculous. Should they put up with that racial abuse merely because they are lucratively rewarded for what they do and knew what they were getting into.

Many on here are blaming Jesy for chasing wealth and success, or "fame" as they put it, so she should accept the downside of what comes with it. Would the people who are putting that argument forward apply that same argument to black professional footballers?

 

[portlock seagull]

It’s wholly unrealistic to not expect online ‘abuse’ if you’re famous. There are billions of people who can potentially do so from anywhere in the world at any point in time. What is in your control is the off button. Rather than rage against the entire world in the hope they come round to your thinking, it’s probably quicker and easier for all of she just blocked the trolls.