Hotchilidog
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- Jan 24, 2009
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Going to quote this as it bears repeating.
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Jeremy Hunt-v-Junior Doctors.
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Going to quote this as it bears repeating.
Leekbrookgull
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Excellent point. Just out of interest does anyone know did J/H take the last pay rise MP,s got ?
Leekbrookgull
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Plus and i don't agree with violence but hasn't he got a face that you really want to slap ?
highflyer
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By straight out of University you mean straight out of five years of exceptionally intensive training right?
But you are right - more than I got when straight out of university.
On the other hand, here's a quote from the the 'Big4insider' website:
If you join KPMG after you finish uni at the graduate level you can expect to earn £26,000 – £28,000 when you begin the grad scheme with this rising to up to £39,000 by the time you complete your 3 year training contract.
So pretty similar. Except in one job you'll be saving lives and in the other you'll be saving corporations from paying their tax (allegedly).
From the same website i found this quote quite telling:
If you are thinking about applying to an internship, grad job or even an industrial placement at KPMG it’s likely there is only one question on your mind. How much will I earn?
I suspect you'd not see that on a website about recruitment into the health sector.
The Albion Roar
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http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...1/MPs-go-back-on-pay-rise-charity-pledge.html
It doesn't say whether he pledged to donate it, but it does say he didn't donate it. Therefore, it's not unreasonable to assume he took it.
His ministerial salary went up from £134,565 to £141,505 last summer.
Ernest
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Certain people in the media so continue to spout shite like this
Leekbrookgull
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Therefore Brother Ernest,i do hope that should you ever require the services of the Nhs (and i hope that you don't) you are seen and treated by a Doctor and not Mr J Hunt.
No, I just used the figures that the complaining doctor that I quoted earlier had kindly provided.
In essence everyone has to have health insurance. The state provides health insurance and you can obviously take out private. You choose. If you're salaried the premiums are deducted at source. I think the state policy is a flat percentage and employers have to cough up some of this. If you earn above a certain amount it can be cheaper to take out private. It's illegal to not have any health insurance. I'm not sure what happens to you if you're unemployed, I presume you get the basic state insurance. Interestingly any health related insurance, e.g. Health, critical illness etc, is tax deductible.
Can't help but think there's a bit of green-eyed monster showing in some of the bitter posts I've read.
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The Albion Roar
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That sounds not too dissimilar to what we have here - an obligatory deduction in salary at the point of source.
Sussex Nomad
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Very commendable, you've learnt something new then.
True, but it's ring fenced, at a higher level and only those paying in get something out. German health stuff is tax deductible as well.
- Apr 13, 2015
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But of course, we are told constantly that the argument isnt about money,..... and they also say that if it was money and an easy life you are after, dont join the medical profession..... I dont believe any of this by the way, they are very well paid in the long term.
Hotchilidog
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It's not about money. There isn't more money on the table, it's reshuffling the allocation of money and getting more hours done with the same amount of staff. Do you really want your life in the hands of someone who is at the end of a ridiculously long shift? The pay for unsocial hours is not optional on top of basic pay those hours are contracted and have to be served. These are doctors making life and death decisions and following a lifelong vocation not shoe shop assistants having to work at the weekends (no offence to any retail staff intended, I am just making a declamatory point).
Given the vital importance of the work they do doctors and other health service workers are vastly underpaid when compared to the pay of other professions.
This is an idealogically engineered dispute by governement that is hell bent on dismantling one of this country's greatest assets so it's buddies in the private health sector can clean up and profit at the expense of those in need of care.
beorhthelm
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then why are they (both sides) digging in over the allocation of pay and schedule of unsoical hours? the rota'd hours are still to be covered, a doctor will still be tired at the end of a 10 or 12 hour i shift whether its Tuesday lunch time or Sunday midnight. a number of issues on shifts and total hours have apparently been resolved, the one remaining issue seems to be how much overtime is paid and when.
- Apr 13, 2015
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Exactly,... the "Save our NHS" theme they are throwing about, is simply misleading, and political.
Hotchilidog
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This is where the PR kicks in, whilst the 11% rise for the 'basic hours' on paper looks generous to the outside world, the definitiion of 'unsocial hours' for which the pay is higher has been changed, which will leave many doctors with a paycut as they no longer get that pay but still have the same number of hours. All the while Hunt keeps calling for a 7 day service (which already exists, doctors already work weekends) he will not provide the extra staff to make this happen in the way he is spinning it to the public.
Do you know any doctors or medical staff? They work extremely hard in the most stressful of circumstances with people's lives literally in their hands. They know it's going to be a tough and arduous career, but they take it up because they care about people. A quality definitely lacking in this squalid excuse of a government. Double their pay and it still wouldn't be enough, they deserve it. I'd rather my tax money was spent there rather than wasting it on expensive trinkets such as Trident, subsidising poverty the wages of multinational corporations or letting their business chums off the tax hook so Gideon can get a free trip to the Superbowl.
Lower West Stander
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What I really don't understand is that nurses work 24/7. There is no difference in staffing or shift patterns at any time during the week. Their pay does change depending on the hours they work but apart from that it is a fully staffed job all the time.
Doctors don't. It's a 5 day week with weekends on call. I just don't understand this.
Doctors don't. It's a 5 day week with weekends on call. I just don't understand this.