Japanese Grand Prix 4th october

[Icy Gull]

Story of the season. Button bottles it with another shite performance but noone is good enough to take advantage. I notice many people in the press and on the net are now saying what I've been saying all season: this is the most devalued championship to win ever. I hope Bottler does it in Brazil because I don't want that useless twat getting any last-race glory like the King did last year.

Your posts get more ridiculous every week. Button recovered well, with a bit of luck and some good driving from a bad grid position. Hamilton was totally anonymous today, should I call him shit because of it? No of course not. He also lost a place in a race he was tipped to win, maybe he had a mechanical glitch or maybe and more likely today he was just outdriven by Trulli but definitely outdriven by Vettell.

Give the vendetta a rest eh, it's boring and if Button wins the Championship it's because he deserves it, his car is going backwards compared to McLaren and Ferrari and on trcks like the one today, Red Bull as well. Hamilton did f*** all when his car wasn't very good (apart from crashing regularly).

 

[Northstander]

For Me... Button is not a world champion...he is fortunate in that in a season of change, his car was the best at the start of the season as other teams were needing to catch up with Brawn.

Now they have caught up with Brawn (ie Redbull, Mclaren etc) its back to business as usual. He has a very fast Race pace, but simply cannot create this same pace when he has to qualify for pole and until he fixes that...it will always be the same.

Just my opinion of which may well be wrong

 

[Icy Gull]

For Me... Button is not a world champion...he is fortunate in that in a season of change, his car was the best at the start of the season as other teams were needing to catch up with Brawn.

Now they have caught up with Brawn (ie Redbull, Mclaren etc) its back to business as usual. He has a very fast Race pace, but simply cannot create this same pace when he has to qualify for pole and until he fixes that...it will always be the same.

Just my opinion of which may well be wrong

The Brawn is no longer a front runner so it is damage limitation for Button. he is doing it well, he doesn't take ridiculous risks or let the red mist come down like Hamilton does. I don't disagree that Hamilton is a better driver but to suggest Button is not worthy of being WC when he has not stuffed his car into a wall or other cars in a single race is ridiculous. He is not the most exciting driver and not as good as Hamilton but he is consistent and smooth and brave when he considers the odds are in his favour. He has won more races than anyone else and is now making the best of an also ran car.

It would be good if he was thrilling to watch but that doesn't mean he isn't an excellent driver who will fully deserve the world title if he gets it over the next two races. He certainly won't win it driving like Hamilton under pressure who tends to crash too often when trying too hard.

Let's not forget Hamilton has had arguably the best car for the last two seasons and only Ferrari were able to challenge. This year Brawn have had serious competition over the season from Red Bull and Toyota early on and Ferrari and McClaren and now Red Bull again, as well as some great drives by Alonso in the spasmodically improving Renault.

This slagging off of Button is so NSC

 

[Icy Gull]

Recovered well? He began with the trademark BOTTLER start off the line,:

Can't be arsed to argue any further when you give the guy no credit at all - pathetic.
The only comments I'll make is that there is a good chance Hamilton would have had an accident starting from the same position a Button in the same scenario. There is a difference between being a bottler and using your head to avoid an accident. Even Coulthard alluded to how Button couldn't push too hard at the start.

World title still on target.

 

[Icy Gull]

Your continuous knocks of Lewis are irrelevant really because the true world champion hasn't been allowed to defend his crown, .

Just trying to bring some balance to your cringeworthy fawning over Hamilton.

Fow what it's worth I'm a massive Hamilton fan and enjoy watching him race more than any other driver on the grid, but he's not the God you build him up to be.

 

[The Wizard]

Oh he is. He's fantastic. I'm not even sure I'd watch every grand prix if he weren't there. His style is so exciting, his attitude spot on, and his talent for someone so young is cruelly undervalued. Some people, like you, might knock him for making the odd mistake. But I just see that as so brilliant. I LOVE the way he is always trying to make things happen, the all-or-nothing approach he takes. That's what I want to see in a sportsman. King Lewis has me off my seat more than any of my other favourite sports teams/players, and considering F1 is not even my favourite sport that's quite something. As far as I'm concerned, 2009 has no world champion. Lewis is world champion and I can't wait for him to defend it next year

Agreed and considering he had never driven the track and had 2 or 3 mechanical problems yet still finished 3'rd is incredible, All hail King Lewis.

 

[tedebear]

Oh he is. He's fantastic. I'm not even sure I'd watch every grand prix if he weren't there. His style is so exciting, his attitude spot on, and his talent for someone so young is cruelly undervalued. Some people, like you, might knock him for making the odd mistake. But I just see that as so brilliant. I LOVE the way he is always trying to make things happen, the all-or-nothing approach he takes. That's what I want to see in a sportsman. King Lewis has me off my seat more than any of my other favourite sports teams/players, and considering F1 is not even my favourite sport that's quite something. As far as I'm concerned, 2009 has no world champion. Lewis is world champion and I can't wait for him to defend it next year

What an odd view, to discount a season as not having a world champion simply because your choice hasn't made it to the podium enough times (and there is a reason for that), you cement your view as blinkered and frankly wrong.

Lewis Hamilton for what its worth isn't a great driver, he's a very good one and will hopefully get better - but sadly he's on his own nw, his Dad throwing money at him can't make him better in F1. Great drivers can make the most of a slightly down on power car and Lewis can't. Come race historic F1's to see some great drivers, listen to Schumachers comments about the Le Mans 24 hours, and the Le Mans classic and you'll work out quickly how F1 drivers are not the creme de lar creme and why they come race Le Mans when they retire. Having said that an F1 driver on form with and F1 car on form is a sight to behold.

 

[Hannibal smith]

If Hamilton is GOD how come he got outdriven by Jarno f***ing Trulli who in religious terms is no more than your local Vicar?

And if Buttons car was so quick that Nakajima could have won in it, how come his team mate won precisely f*** all in it in the first 8 races this year?

Good luck to Button although it would be nice to see him deliver a World Champion performance as well as the title in Brazil

 

[The Wizard]

If Hamilton is GOD how come he got outdriven by Jarno f***ing Trulli who in religious terms is no more than your local Vicar?

And if Buttons car was so quick that Nakajima could have won in it, how come his team mate won precisely f*** all in it in the first 8 races this year?

Good luck to Button although it would be nice to see him deliver a World Champion performance as well as the title in Brazil

He would have been in front of him if he hadn't had a problem at the pit stop that cost him several seconds, this accompanied by his KERS system failing towards the end of the race, which meant he had a lot of extra weight without the boost that KERS provides didn't exactly help his cause.

Also, your view of Jarno is very harsh, he has proved over the years he is a very competitive driver when he is at one with the car.

 

[Icy Gull]

I'd argue that until the last few races Renault have had a stronger car,QUOTE]

Then you must be a f***ing idiot

 

[tedebear]

There is no 2009 world champion because circumstances have dictated that no worthy contender (and that's not just King Lewis - world champion (c)) has been allowed to compete.

Lewis could have done no more for me, and I'm proud of his effort. He leaves 2009 a stronger man and with his reputation enhanced.

Eh? There will be a 2009 world champion whether you like it or not...

Thats all very nice, and I'm sure he's pleased you're proud of him. He may become one day the champion of which you speak but at the moment he isn't. Otherwise he'd be winning. Simples.

 

[Icy Gull]

I'm not saying the Renault has been any good, but look at the state McLaren were in in EVERY race until Germany. They were beyond shocking.

Alonso in the Ferrari with Lewis and Kimi in the McClaren will be immense next year. Can't see any other cars competing as I don't believe that there are any major car changes being introduced for next year? Best cars with the bet drivers will dominate imo. I'll stick my neck out and say that Massa will be annihilated by Alonso.