[Politics] Jacinda Arden

[Mellor 3 Ward 4]

Closing airports and not allowing thousands of Italian football fans into Liverpool also helps. Cheltenham races were 'important' to Dido Harding as well.
There were many warnings in January and February 2020. but our government ignored them as they ignored Operation Cygnus in 2016.

Spanish football fans but that's by the by.

Cheltenham of course should have benn cancelled, but in reality had very little effect when compared to TFL continuing to operate the tube and allowing 5 million tube journeys a day.....

 

[Chicken Run]

Seeing as this appears to be the latest go to thread to discuss the Government’s **** up’s could someone in authority correct the spelling of of the NZ premier’s name in the title?


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[Billy the Fish]

What amazes me about the whole situation is not that Boris has told lie after lie but there are people still prepared to defend him. If he was family yes I understand you support your own but in Boris's case even his siblings have given up on him.

This thread isn't about Boris!

Why does everyone interpret criticism of Jacinda Ardern as support for Boris?

I use the word criticism in the loosest possible terms, it's more of a reality check that once you dig a bit deeper than her immaculate PR skills, she might not be the saint that the left leaning media portrays her as.

 

[Wardy's twin]

This thread isn't about Boris!

Why does everyone interpret criticism of Jacinda Ardern as support for Boris?

I use the word criticism in the loosest possible terms, it's more of a reality check that once you dig a bit deeper than her immaculate PR skills, she might not be the saint that the left leaning media portrays her as.

If you are talking about a Prime minister of a country then I think a comparison to other leaders is inevitable so that you can establish context, there is no point comparing her to a person who is not in a similar role and there' no point just criticising her without context.

Regards my comment which is based on that comparison I find it strange that some people still seem to think Boris is a better choice. I don't understand that thinking...

But let's be clear she is human , she is fallible like the rest of us. She has made mistakes some where (she must have) and she will make more mistakes . She is also a politician so by trade she will have to be economical with the truth at some point so i am under no illusions that she is perfect. But she is miles ahead of Boris.

 

[colinz]

You don't have to take me seriously, but then I don't make posts stating I know something outrageous, that can't be verified or proven.

I simply provided a link. I never stated it was true. If true she won't be around much longer.

It's not the first time Gayford has been subject to these sort of rumours. A few years ago the former Head Commisioner of Police (Mike Bush I think) got involved banning the story from being published on the internet.

 

[nicko31]

If you are talking about a Prime minister of a country then I think a comparison to other leaders is inevitable so that you can establish context, there is no point comparing her to a person who is not in a similar role and there' no point just criticising her without context.

Regards my comment which is based on that comparison I find it strange that some people still seem to think Boris is a better choice. I don't understand that thinking...

But let's be clear she is human , she is fallible like the rest of us. She has made mistakes some where (she must have) and she will make more mistakes . She is also a politician so by trade she will have to be economical with the truth at some point so i am under no illusions that she is perfect. But she is miles ahead of Boris.

The biggest difference is Arden is a politician that acts in what she thinks is best for her nation, in contrast with Johnson its ultimately just all about him and not about the country.

 

[WATFORD zero]

This thread isn't about Boris!

Why does everyone interpret criticism of Jacinda Ardern as support for Boris?

I use the word criticism in the loosest possible terms, it's more of a reality check that once you dig a bit deeper than her immaculate PR skills, she might not be the saint that the left leaning media portrays her as.

That's simply a video of a politician blowing their own trumpet. Boris could easily claim to have done many of many of those things while being one of the least trusted and controversial leaders in living memory.

It's all about image. People call Brois a snake oil salesman but if anything he's the opposite, he's so up front about his shortcomings they're said to be "built in". Ardern is the epitome of a snake oil salesman, she's the same as every other politician but repackaged with "empathy"! Most people over here will swallow everything she says without question simply because she's not a Tory and she's seen as a so called progressive. People did exactly the same thing with Macron when he was elected.

For the record, Boris is a terrible leader, the other side are even worse. UK politics is full of talentless chancers and needs a proper shake up.

Well this thread certainly doesn't appear to be all about Johnson to you. And I always like the defence of 'the others were worse so I had no choice', I had to vote for him, it's actually my favourite defence of Johnson

Maybe it would help everyone if we stayed on the topic of what Arden has done, right and wrong

 

[WATFORD zero]

I simply provided a link. I never stated it was true. If true she won't be around much longer.

It's not the first time Gayford has been subject to these sort of rumours. A few years ago the former Head Commisioner of Police (Mike Bush I think) got involved banning the story from being published on the internet.

Have you ever considered clicking on the link and seeing if it's complete idiocy before you post it ? I'm genuinely trying to help you here

 

[colinz]

Have you ever considered clicking on the link and seeing if it's complete idiocy before you post it ? I'm genuinely trying to help you here

I don't regard it as being complete idiocy.

I'd heard the rumours, then someone sent me the link it's up to people who read it to decide.The comments on the link are both for and against what was uploaded.
If people on here find it too inflammatory report it to the mods and they can decide.

Personally I wouldn't know if it's true or not. But I dare say some are hoping it's true.

And to stay on topic Ardern has hastily rolled out her vaccine program, I've met too many people who've had adverse reactions. Not I believe from the vaccine itself but from the way it's been administered.

 

[Wardy's twin]

I don't regard it as being complete idiocy.

I'd heard the rumours, then someone sent me the link it's up to people who read it to decide.The comments on the link are both for and against what was uploaded.
If people on here find it too inflammatory report it to the mods and they can decide.

Personally I wouldn't know if it's true or not. But I dare say some are hoping it's true.

And to stay on topic Ardern has hastily rolled out her vaccine program, I've met too many people who've had adverse reactions. Not I believe from the vaccine itself but from the way it's been administered.

Who is this guy and what's his trade and claim to fame. The video comes across as a set of statements where he is claiming government practise as documented is wrong - would be much better if he was talking through the document with the author and clarifying points and correcting mistakes.

At one point he says the politician doesn't know that muscles have blood (veins) through them but you the audience of the video know that don't you. Well funnily I don't know that.

He talks about aspirating the needle prior to the COVID vaccine injection a subject I know little about in detail i.e. i don't know whether that's the standard for the flu jab or other inoculations but my 26 year experience of that jab indicates they don't aspirate the needle. Indeed the only time I have had that test was when a cannula was set up to injecting dye prior to a CT scan , so they tested blood came out and concluded that they were in a vein all good well no as when it came to injecting the dye it went straight through the vein into my arm muscle.

I am labouring the point because this guy makes a big deal of of it and the aspirating test is not infallible.

It is also worth noting that there were 450 cases of blood clots post vaccination that is 450 cases in 28.5 million jabs

My experience on health matters is that I leave it to the experts and don't try to second guess things I don't know about in the same way i don't know the gas regulations so i don't try to fix my boiler .

Yes I do realise that the experts get it wrong sometimes.

 

[Baldseagull]

I simply provided a link. I never stated it was true. If true she won't be around much longer.

It's not the first time Gayford has been subject to these sort of rumours. A few years ago the former Head Commisioner of Police (Mike Bush I think) got involved banning the story from being published on the internet.

No, You didn't say it was true, you said "I'd heard rumours about her beau being on remand with an ankle bracelet, I dismissed it with a pinch of salt. Then I came across this." with a link and instructions to scroll to the last comment. That suggested to me that you were no longer dismissing the rumours, because of Tarquins comment. Sorry if I misinterpreted that, and glad to hear you don't believe such bollocks.

 

[Baldseagull]

I don't regard it as being complete idiocy.

I'd heard the rumours, then someone sent me the link it's up to people who read it to decide.The comments on the link are both for and against what was uploaded.
If people on here find it too inflammatory report it to the mods and they can decide.

Personally I wouldn't know if it's true or not. But I dare say some are hoping it's true.

And to stay on topic Ardern has hastily rolled out her vaccine program, I've met too many people who've had adverse reactions. Not I believe from the vaccine itself but from the way it's been administered.

He gives honest information, but not enough context to use it alone in deciding whether to have the jab or not. The first thing to note is that the results he is showing came from tests on mice only, so are a good indicator of what might happen in humans, but not guaranteed.
The second thing to note is that he has not referenced any studies of vaccinated persons to see how common Thrombosis or Myocarditis has been after vaccination, here is one for myocarditis https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj-2021-068665 and here is an article stating that it is more common from Covid infection. https://www.newscientist.com/articl...on-after-covid-19-infection-than-vaccination/
Here is a study for thrombosis events after vaccination, which usefully also compares to having Covid as well https://www.bmj.com/content/374/bmj.n1931

What the video is telling you is that there is probably a safer method of administering the vaccine than is commonly employed, it isn't telling you that it is safer to not have the vaccine. When you have all the evidence, it seems to me that the only way not having the vaccine is safer than having it, is if you can see out the next few months or years without coming into contact with covid, until perhaps only a milder form of it is circulating, that is less likely to cause severe illness.

 

[BadFish]

God she's vile.
Hat tilt to the female news presenter for her patience when being talked over

It is interesting that you provide that video as evidence that she is 'vile'.

You can hear at the beginning of the video that there is a delay on the communication. This always makes it hard to hold a conversation with someone.

What I saw was Jacinda Arden trying to answer the question she was asked (avoiding it a bit too, like all politicians) and the interviewer interrupting her with other questions (seemingly when she decided her answer had gone on for two long). It was a fairly common interview discussion made harder by the delay over the link. No one has behaved in a 'vile' manner here.

Ironically, most of the English speaking world look over to New Zealand with jealousy at your current leadership. Far from 'vile' she seems pretty good for a politician and better than most.

 

[BadFish]

That's simply a video of a politician blowing their own trumpet. Boris could easily claim to have done many of many of those things while being one of the least trusted and controversial leaders in living memory.

It's all about image. People call Brois a snake oil salesman but if anything he's the opposite, he's so up front about his shortcomings they're said to be "built in". Ardern is the epitome of a snake oil salesman, she's the same as every other politician but repackaged with "empathy"! Most people over here will swallow everything she says without question simply because she's not a Tory and she's seen as a so called progressive. People did exactly the same thing with Macron when he was elected.

For the record, Boris is a terrible leader, the other side are even worse. UK politics is full of talentless chancers and needs a proper shake up.

To answer the original question I'll listen to it and make a list. **Only managed the first minute, but you get the jist.

Gesture politics:
Planted a load of trees.
Created loads of jobs (means nothing without context)
Banned offshore speculators - (Why is that good?)
Better cancer care (More words without context)
Cheaper doctors visits for 500,000 people (Yet people demonise the Tories constantly about privatising the NHS)
Made highways safer (more words without context)

Happened in the UK in the same period:
Unemployment rate broadly the same as NZ
Raised minimum wage over the rate of inflation
Highest increase in wages in a decade
Winter energy payment
Banned single use plastic bags

Would cause uproar in this country:
Cheaper doctors visits for 500,000 people (People demonise the Tories constantly about privatising the NHS)
Stopped schools running on donations (NUT and TUC would piss their pants if that was happening)
Breaking the cycle of family and sexual violence (WTF)


Nobody ever seems to mention locking her own citizens out of the country without warning or cozying up to China and moving away from 5 eyes security sharing.

After reading the few post on this conversation I am becoming increasingly convinced that 'gesture politics' really just means 'stuff I disagree with'

Another meaningless platitude that means very little and makes it hard to discuss actual policies. In fact 3 of the policies you have dismissed as 'gesture politics', you have also complained that you don't have enough context - This begs the question: How do you know this policy can be dismissed as such.

 

[OzMike]

Yeah, but would you though.

 

[Chicken Run]

Yeah, but would you though.

Of course, she’s an 8/10 …….


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[colinz]

Of course, she’s an 8/10 …….


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Wouldn't like to to see your 4/10.

 

[colinz]

It is interesting that you provide that video as evidence that she is 'vile'.

You can hear at the beginning of the video that there is a delay on the communication. This always makes it hard to hold a conversation with someone.

What I saw was Jacinda Arden trying to answer the question she was asked (avoiding it a bit too, like all politicians) and the interviewer interrupting her with other questions (seemingly when she decided her answer had gone on for two long). It was a fairly common interview discussion made harder by the delay over the link. No one has behaved in a 'vile' manner here.

Ironically, most of the English speaking world look over to New Zealand with jealousy at your current leadership. Far from 'vile' she seems pretty good for a politician and better than most.

She doesn't give a shit about the people who've had adverse reactions from her jab program, that makes her vile.
I've now met to many people upset and scared about having to now endure her booster.
As well as others losing their livelihood by not taking the 2nd jab as a result of adverse reactions from her first jab.

If she gives you a hard on I'm pleased for you.

 

[Billy the Fish]

After reading the few post on this conversation I am becoming increasingly convinced that 'gesture politics' really just means 'stuff I disagree with'

Another meaningless platitude that means very little and makes it hard to discuss actual policies. In fact 3 of the policies you have dismissed as 'gesture politics', you have also complained that you don't have enough context - This begs the question: How do you know this policy can be dismissed as such.

From the dictionary:

gesture politics

noun BRITISH

political actions or positions taken chiefly to gain publicity or influence public opinion, typically requiring little effort or having no significant impact.

I haven't "complained" about anything, I gave an answer to a specific question. I'm just pointing that the people constantly blowing smoke up Jacinda's backside from 12,000 mile away are the same people who will instantly dismiss the same policy if it happens here, much of it is routine stuff.

If I'm not allowed to dismiss then nobody else should be allowed to praise. It's just hypocrisy on so many levels.

 

[colinz]

Fuhrer Ardern