[Football] It’s the stats that count!

[KeegansHairPiece]

Maupay is the only forward who has had a consistent run of games. Maupay has been first on the team sheet for most of the season - and there is no justification for it.

If Welbeck had stayed fit, I don’t think that would have been the case. When the others have had their chances they’ve really not looked up to it have they. Maupay does get taken off in many of the games too, and not started in 5 games, so it’s not like others haven’t had opportunities to stake a claim. Connolly’s misses against Spurs and yesterday hardly cement his case.

I’m not defending Maupay, I don’t think mentally he has what it takes, but like I think [MENTION=232]Simster[/MENTION] said on another thread, he probably is best of the bunch - unfortunately.

 

[Charity Shield 1910]

I agree.

The previous poster is presupposing that Man City assembled their squad using a team of scouts in woolly hats watching young lads playing for their works teams, rather than using data analysis.

Touching, really. I'm tempted to offer him a Bullseye and a mug of hot Bovril.

Have to respect their confidence in themselves. I do wonder how they will get on igf they ever leave the xbox in their bedroom. Some of them clearly have never kicked a ball in their life or watched a game live.

 

[Charity Shield 1910]

If Welbeck had stayed fit, I don’t think that would have been the case. When the others have had their chances they’ve really not looked up to it have they. Maupay does get taken off in many of the games too, so it’s not like others of had opportunities to stake a claim. Connolly’s misses against Spurs and yesterday hardly cement his case.

I’m not defending Maupay, I don’t think mentally he has what it takes, but like I think [MENTION=232]Simster[/MENTION] said on another thread, he probably is best of the bunch - unfortunately.

I accept most of that but think Potter was late in recognising the problem and could have tried more options, more often and even looked at creating a temporary forward from the squad. Question is, what would you do now? Carry on with what isnt working or drop Maupay and try something else? Those are the two choices.

 

[Swansman]

Maupay has played almost every week, the others have not. Or put another way, would you drop Maupay to the bench for the next game? I would, and I would have done so in October and looked at what I could do with the squad. He was late changing the keeper but credit to him, he got there in the end, now he is beyond late dropping Maupay to the bench.

Its funny how you talk about "context" and then appear to be 100% sure about things despite having a lot less context (like watching your players in training every day, being aware of their physical status, personal lives etc.) than the managers managing Maupay (and the CMS guy in the past).

 

[neilbard]

I agree.

The previous poster is presupposing that Man City assembled their squad using a team of scouts in woolly hats watching young lads playing for their works teams, rather than using data analysis.

Touching, really. I'm tempted to offer him a Bullseye and a mug of hot Bovril.

Don't they? Blown me down..

 

[vagabond]

Statistics, on their own do not tell the full story. It doesnt matter if we had 20 shots on target to their one, if our twenty were on the halfway line with no hope of really scoring and their one was 6ft out into an open goal. It doesnt matter if we had loads more on target, their chance was better, probably than all our twenty put together. ‘Shots on target’ by itself is quite a useless statistic really.

I swear i saw a statistic once where, once the shot was taken, the speed, direction of travel, placement, keeper position etc were analysed and it was given a percentage chance of ‘going in‘ against what was an ‘average keepers’ reaction time, expected movement distance etc. giving a much better idea of the size of ‘chance at goal’ rather than proliferate shots at goal, which as said previously, doesnt really mean a lot.

So that’s my point. There are specialist teams, data analysts, data science department who pore over every single stat and metric imaginable. And they determine what action points and verticals can be concluded.

You may disagree, but there are entire careers and teams up and down the country and around the world for all elite clubs doing this. And not just football either. Baseball, NFL, basketball, Hockey, you name it.

Elite level sports wouldn’t pay for all this data analysis if it offered no value.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Don't they? Blown me down..

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With lashings of Miss Dianne

 

[Seasidesage]

Humans used to pull heavy weights around using sledges until one day someone looked at the stats and thought that a round shape might be more effective...

 

[Rugrat]

Too bad none of the Premier League clubs heard your wisdoms as they are all investing millions of pounds in data analysis tools and data analysts.

Hopefully not as simplistic as yours

 

[smeariestbat]

So that’s my point. There are specialist teams, data analysts, data science department who pore over every single stat and metric imaginable. And they determine what action points and verticals can be concluded.

You may disagree, but there are entire careers and teams up and down the country and around the world for all elite clubs doing this. And not just football either. Baseball, NFL, basketball, Hockey, you name it.

Elite level sports wouldn’t pay for all this data analysis if it offered no value.

Not saying stats dont have value, i work in elite rugby, i know they have value. I am saying that just having a high ‘shots on goal’ stat is not going to win you a game. Especially if those shots had very little to no chance of actually going in in the first place.