[Football] "It's not VAR, it's the people running it"

[Couldn't Be Hyypia]

English officials are shite, VAR just exposes it. You can take away or keep VAR, I don’t mind. I’d much rather we fixed the problem of terrible quality officiating in this country. It’s the elephant in the room nobody (at least in a position to be heard) seems to mention, but there is a reason why, despite being one of the major footballing nations, we don’t have any officials going to Qatar and didn’t have any going to Russia.

Why do you think we don't have good referees? What's the train they are all "terrible"?

 

[mikeyjh]

Yes it is very interesting hearing the dialogue in rugby matches between ref and TMO. It helps people watching understand the thought process in making decisions. And crucially, other than pointing out things that the ref might had missed (foul play off the ball etc) the TMO receives the steer from the ref, i.e. the ref gives an onfield decision and asks the TMO to check.

In football, I think there should be referrals only if there is genuine doubt in the refs mind.

é.g. the lino didn't flag for offside but he looked off to me, can you check.

Or the lino did flag, but I'm not sure if he was off, please can you check.

Therefore only check for offside if ref and lino are not sure.

Similarly with fouls and penalties:

Ref gives onfield decision but might say to VAR, my view wasn't great, please can you confirm there was contact/inside the area etc.

Then I think VAR plays a much less invasive role, but a more supportive one.

I think the rugby comparison should always be highlighted - Televised games are sometimes taking over 2 hours, extrapolate that on to the 90 mins of football and you'll be looking at 2 hours 15. As ever, fine if you're watching on tele, a big FU to those at the game....

 

[jonny.rainbow]

VAR is a quintessential example of fixing something that wasn’t broken.

Similar to Coca-Cola developing ‘New Coke’ and Paul Barber replacing season ticket smart cards with the mobile ticket function.

 

[drew]

As said loads of times, VAR should be tweaked to follow the TMO in rugby. As the ref is miked up everyone can hear the ref’s decision and his conversation with the TMO. I see very very few controversial complete feck up decisons in rugby because of it

It would mean things being shown on the big screen as it’s being discussed though. Maybe football fans are considered too dickheadish to be able to do this though

The clock would also need to be stopped, another thing I believe should happen in football during breaks in play.

Agree with a lot of what you say. I dont watch much rugby other than the 6 nations but it does seem that the top rugby refs are very good which, in my opinion, can't be said of football top referees in this country. It must be remembered that rugby refs have a bit of protection from the dissent rules. One aspect of rugby I would like introduced is to be able to cite players post match either for diving or feigning injury.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

What are these ideas of putting microphones on referees and post match interviews supposed to achieve ? There will just be more to disagree with. It won’t make me feel better as it won’t change the outcome. Go to the match…take the rough with the smooth…move on.

 

[drew]

What are these ideas of putting microphones on referees and post match interviews supposed to achieve ? There will just be more to disagree with. It won’t make me feel better as it won’t change the outcome. Go to the match…take the rough with the smooth…move on.

The point is to try and improve the standard and to get consistency. Understanding their train of thought might explain something or open up a discussion as to how to improve if it was a mistake. For example the Coutingo incident yesterday and Lee Mason inexplicably blowing his whistle as Dunk was scoring against WBA! However, if you're happy with the way it is then fair enough, that's your opinion. Many disagree.

 

[Guinness Boy]

The point is to try and improve the standard and to get consistency. Understanding their train of thought might explain something or open up a discussion as to how to improve if it was a mistake. For example the Coutingo incident yesterday and Lee Mason inexplicably blowing his whistle as Dunk was scoring against WBA! However, if you're happy with the way it is then fair enough, that's your opinion. Many disagree.

We’ve had two seasons and five games of VAR and things are worse now!!


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[SeagullsoverLondon]

I think the rugby comparison should always be highlighted - Televised games are sometimes taking over 2 hours, extrapolate that on to the 90 mins of football and you'll be looking at 2 hours 15. As ever, fine if you're watching on tele, a big FU to those at the game....

Rugby matches are taking longer, not because of the TMO, but because they stop the clock every time there is an injury or a penalty awarded, or the ref wants to reset the scrum, so that you actually get 80 minutes of play. This isn't the case in football.
The recent suggestion of having 35 minutes each way but stopping the clock in football would probably get us back to a 4:45 finish for a 3pm kick off in most cases.

 

[drew]

We’ve had two seasons and five games of VAR and things are worse now!!


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Standard of referring was deteriorating before VAR so difficult to say if it would be even worse without it!!

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

The point is to try and improve the standard and to get consistency. Understanding their train of thought might explain something or open up a discussion as to how to improve if it was a mistake. For example the Coutingo incident yesterday and Lee Mason inexplicably blowing his whistle as Dunk was scoring against WBA! However, if you're happy with the way it is then fair enough, that's your opinion. Many disagree.

I don’t think a dialogue with us will improve the standard, that’s all. It will just generate more headlines. The dialogue is with their assessors and bosses which is likely to be a lot more constructive.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

Well, VAR is clearly shit. The game today ruined.

 

[zefarelly]

VAR - F*CK OFF, permanently. A shockingly bad system

 

[wellquickwoody]

VAR is ruining the game. If there was no ball in the back of the net, it would not have been checked. That is one of the best strikes I have ever seen. A joyous movement was robbed from paying customers. GET RID NOW.

 

[DJ NOBO]

Well, VAR is clearly shit. The game today ruined.

Bit of a drama queen reaction.
It WAS offside. Just stay onside.

 

[Gazwag]

Bit of a drama queen reaction.
It WAS offside. Just stay onside.

Bollocks if it was offside it would have taken 20 seconds ruining football for real fans

 

[Swansman]

Have you watched any lower league TV on the box? No VAR. It is an absolute joke. Shocking decisions and no comeback. Like park football.

May as well call for a removal of speed cameras. Driving certainly used to be much more fun.

Ruling out a world class goal because some severly Aspergian muppet desperately had to find a hair or a nail being offside... thats the real "absolute joke".

 

[KZNSeagull]

You could understand contentious decisions before VAR but not now. There seem to be some absolute howlers recently. I have said it before but I can only conclude that those running VAR are crooked.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

Bollocks if it was offside it would have taken 20 seconds ruining football for real fans

Yep, four and a half minutes to make a bloody decision in a football match !!

I’ve cheered up now though….

 

[hart's shirt]

"I think I can see some fun here. Let's get rid of that."

 

[wellquickwoody]

Bit of a drama queen reaction.
It WAS offside. Just stay onside.

No infringement would have been given if the ball had not ended up in the net. The offside made no odds. VAR is ruining football.