Live by the sea
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- Oct 21, 2016
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That’s hilarious although I’m sure someone will be outraged.
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[Humour] It’s not for girls…
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Crawley Dingo
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- Mar 31, 2022
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I hate the term woke, more like social justice/cultural marxism. It includes other factors as well, its to long to explain just search critique of social justice etc and find a utube. It does for example deposit black/white instead of Proletariat/ Bourgeoise the idea to create conflict between the 2 groups and they hope it will somehow turn into a revolution. Thats right its pushing race war. Given in a recent Rasmussen poll in the USA about 25% of blacks said it was not ok to be white and 18% of whites said black lives dont matter so they have the numbers to start a lot of shit. Its in part why Dillbert cartoonist was cancelled the other day Scott Adamson. Maybe check that as well.
Cotton Socks
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- Feb 20, 2017
- 2,152
So I can't take my cup anymore when I clear up the mess tradesmen have left behind after flat refurbs? Or worse still when I'm painting one room whilst a tradesman is fitting a bathroom? Gutted... I like my cup, it makes me feel rebellious!
BadFish
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- Oct 19, 2003
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Interesting, I'll be honest though, this post has a number of red flags that indicate we may be venturing into conspiracy theory territory. Who are the 'they' that you refer to? You've also only really mentioned one side of the war, who is on the opposite side the the social justice/cultural Marxist people? I'm also not going to search for the YouTube videos that have lead you to your conclusion, if you want to post something I will consider it but I don't have time to search and hope I find the right content that will lead me to your opinion is ridiculous.
I would agree that it is all about division but you haven't really answered my question. I am starting to believe that the wokism (call it cultural Marxism/social justice if you must - I am not sure if they are the same or different, depends on one's definition I suppose) is not as prevalent as we are lead to believe. I also suspect that the effect of using terms like woke is that discussion is stifled.
So I ask for your best example of first hand wokism. I am interested to know if it is an actually thing that seriously effects society or a shadowy McCarthyism ghost that we are being asked to rage against.
I am guessing I am not going to get an example though, so I guess I will keep looking.
BadFish
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- Oct 19, 2003
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Your reply indicated you did, but maybe I misunderstood. Sounds like we are agreed that no-one is outraged or offended about this old ad.
By extension accusations of wokery etc are wide of the mark. Just an old ad that some found funny and some didn't. Still the case by the looks and we are probably all in agreement that it wouldn't fly today.
Tyrone Biggums
Well-known member
They lump themselves together.
Are you that unaware?
Perhaps more people would take them seriously if they stepped away from that alphabet umbrella and didn't lump the reasonable groups with the utter whack jobs.
Bold Seagull
strong and stable with me, or...
But a lot of the time, with some of the stuff you post - you’re the whack job!!
I’ve just stumbled across this untagged rebuke.
I certainly didn’t realise I’d contributed to an avalanche of counter ‘outrage.’ I merely expressed another point of view. I guess that’s outrage now.
“I’m sorry. Did you come here for the 5 minute argument?”
BadFish
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- Oct 19, 2003
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Fear of alternate opinions has long been a stick to beat the woke left with. An accusation that can also be made to the anti- woke brigade.
Bold Seagull
strong and stable with me, or...
But you can protect yourself from the stick with an alphabet umbrella.
Not ‘Woke’ Yet? Most Voters Reject Anti-White Beliefs
Despite years of progressive activism, a majority of Americans still don’t buy into the “woke” narrative that white people have a monopoly on racism.
www.rasmussenreports.com
- May 8, 2018
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Hard to know, despite it being relatively black and white
sydney
tinky ****in winky
sydney
tinky ****in winky
this is true ....this is what they are dealing with in America , we have been discussing this since the BLM riots ....America is a f***ing nut house.
Monkey Man
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In a sense, maybe Yorkie was NOT for girls, because in my experience most women have a discerning palate when it comes to chocolate.
Yorkie was extremely poor quality, I'm guessing because of its low cocoa content but maybe it was to do with something else.
Yorkie was extremely poor quality, I'm guessing because of its low cocoa content but maybe it was to do with something else.
I love how this thread has gone from a choccie bar advert to “they” are trying to start a race war.
There’s only one word for that, Keith; magic darts.
There’s only one word for that, Keith; magic darts.
Stato
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- Dec 21, 2011
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Indeed. The use of the term 'Cultural Marxism' to describe what is basically the modern form of 90's political correctness is always a red flag if you know the history of the term: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Marxism_conspiracy_theory
When I studied Marx, I thought that one of the fair critiques from sociologists was that his work saw the world in purely economic terms and failed to account that people didn't define themselves only in terms of their relation to the means of production. Relationships of individuals with religion, culture, art, race, sexuality etc. were all expected to take second place to whether the individuals would line up with the proletariat or the bourgoisie.
None of the modern concern with the rights of minority groups has anything to do with Marx. The theorists of the Frankfurt school were, like all social theory since his writings, influenced by Marx's ideas, but they were also influenced by Hegel, by Freud etc. They weren't seeing the world though the lense of how the revolution will come and communism will be established. They were just as critical of the Soviet state as they were of capitalism.
The right wing conspiracists use the label because they like to think of anything they don't like as 1) organised by a (never identified) shadowy power group, and 2) having something to do with communism, because this makes it easy to dismiss the truth that ordinary indivduals can easily see for themselves that capitalism and the hegemony of the West serve the needs of some groups far better than those of some others.
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Crawley’s post was clearly not his own work. The language used was not akin to other posts of his. He’s half remembered / half copied some gibberish he’s trawled off one of his deep clicking sessions on YouTube.
His grammar and punctuation are f***ing appalling too.
Stato
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By the way, getting back to the original direction of the thread, I read recently that, at a recent appearance at the Slapstick comedy festival, Robin Ince pointed out that the likes of Ricky Gervais and Jimmy Carr are viewed by a lot of younger comedians in the same way as 80s alternative comedians viewed Bernard Manning and that they, understandably don't like being viewed like this.
The OP just stated that a twelve year old was surprised at what was considered acceptable in terms of sexist humour as recently as 2003. Nobody has expressed outrage at the hackneyed ad campaign, yet there have been loads of posts from people saying 'Well if you're outraged by that..... etc.'
I'd go further than Robin Ince and suggest that a lot of my generation don't like that the shifting sands of cultural acceptability has now labelled them the equivalent of Bernard Manning's audience, and they feel the need to argue that the world shouldn't have changed and there is nothing wrong with 'just having a laugh'. The underlying thought is sadly 'The world has changed and I don't like that I'm not young anymore.' Understand please that I'm not having a go at anyone, because I definitely feel this way sometimes myself and I would be surprised to hear that anybody approaching middle age hasn't. Its natural. Its not our world anymore.
I find that the best approach for my blood pressure is to try to accept this with grace. I can stil listen to the original version of 'Fairytale of New York' or watch unedited episodes of 'Fawlty Towers'. I'd probably still watch 'It Ain't 'alf Hot Mum' if they showed it anywhere. - That theme song alone brings back warming waves of nostalgia for a simpler world. However, I can hold two conflicting thoughts in my head and I can at the same time understand that a piece of art's meaning to me is not the same as it's meaning to anybody else and that it doesn't need to be. My understanding and acceptance of the intent of MacGowan's lyrics does not have to trump someone else's dislike of the public use of a problematic word. Arguing that I should be able to sing it in their face because they are wrong to be upset gets nobody anywhere.
Every generation rebels against it's predecessor. It's their world now - let them get on with it rather than waste your time shouting into the void. I console myself with the knowledge that, although they get to control what is acceptable to write on the internet, they'll never know the joy of smoking in pubs.
The OP just stated that a twelve year old was surprised at what was considered acceptable in terms of sexist humour as recently as 2003. Nobody has expressed outrage at the hackneyed ad campaign, yet there have been loads of posts from people saying 'Well if you're outraged by that..... etc.'
I'd go further than Robin Ince and suggest that a lot of my generation don't like that the shifting sands of cultural acceptability has now labelled them the equivalent of Bernard Manning's audience, and they feel the need to argue that the world shouldn't have changed and there is nothing wrong with 'just having a laugh'. The underlying thought is sadly 'The world has changed and I don't like that I'm not young anymore.' Understand please that I'm not having a go at anyone, because I definitely feel this way sometimes myself and I would be surprised to hear that anybody approaching middle age hasn't. Its natural. Its not our world anymore.
I find that the best approach for my blood pressure is to try to accept this with grace. I can stil listen to the original version of 'Fairytale of New York' or watch unedited episodes of 'Fawlty Towers'. I'd probably still watch 'It Ain't 'alf Hot Mum' if they showed it anywhere. - That theme song alone brings back warming waves of nostalgia for a simpler world. However, I can hold two conflicting thoughts in my head and I can at the same time understand that a piece of art's meaning to me is not the same as it's meaning to anybody else and that it doesn't need to be. My understanding and acceptance of the intent of MacGowan's lyrics does not have to trump someone else's dislike of the public use of a problematic word. Arguing that I should be able to sing it in their face because they are wrong to be upset gets nobody anywhere.
Every generation rebels against it's predecessor. It's their world now - let them get on with it rather than waste your time shouting into the void. I console myself with the knowledge that, although they get to control what is acceptable to write on the internet, they'll never know the joy of smoking in pubs.
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