It WASN'T a penalty

[Everest]

Just balancing the threads up


FIFA 2010/11
Law 13 - Free kicks

Free Kick Outside the Penalty Area
- all opponents are at least 9.15 m (10 yds) from the ball until it is in play
- the ball is in play when it is kicked and moves
- the free kick is taken from the place where the infringement occurred

 

[dingobruce]

According to footballing know-it-all Steve Claridge on the FL Show the ball is in play when the ref blows his whistle, rather than when it is kicked and that it was a pen.

 

[Everest]

He's a knob jockey

 

[dingobruce]

Indeed!

 

[mcshane in the 79th]

Time to move on perhaps? Greer was an idiot, and we were punished. No excuse for not winning that game.

 

[Curious Orange]

A further point of interest. The linesman in front of the North Stand waved his flag to get the referee's attention, but at no point did he put it across his chest to indicate a penalty, so that decision was the referees. The TV replay is not conclusive as to when Elding went down like a sack of spuds.

 

[Stinky Pete]

Steve claridge is amazing in that he has been a pro footballer for many years and yet knows nothing about football. Even more amazing is that people are employing him to talk about it. CLINT

 

[dougdeep]

time to move on perhaps? Greer was an idiot, and we were punished.

Twice!

 

[clarkey]

According to footballing know-it-all Steve Claridge on the FL Show the ball is in play when the ref blows his whistle, rather than when it is kicked and that it was a pen.

Not quite. He said play is active when the ref blows his whistle, and it doesnt matter whether the ball is in play or not.

Whether this is true or not I dont know, but its a slightly different argument to the one you suggested.

 

[Lady Whistledown]

Not quite. He said play is active when the ref blows his whistle, and it doesnt matter whether the ball is in play or not.

Whether this is true or not I dont know, but its a slightly different argument to the one you suggested.

I suspect you're right. Say the ball went out for a throw in- the ball would not be in play but play would still be active, presumably?

 

[Eggmundo]

The ball is not in play during the set up to a corner, throw in or goal kick (can't be offside).
During a free kick the ball is on the field of play and thus active.

That's what gaz says anyway.

 

[Lady Whistledown]

FIFA law 13: the ball is in play when it is kicked and moves.

Law 12: A penalty kick is awarded if any of the [direct free kick] offences is committed by a player in his own penalty area, irrespective of the position of the ball, provided the ball is in play.

Ergo: stick that in your pipe and smoke it, Claridge.

 

[Buffalo Seagull]

If you're going to quote FIFA rules, perhaps this needs to be considered:

A player is guilty of violent conduct if he uses excessive force or brutality
against an opponent when not challenging for the ball.
He is also guilty of violent conduct if he uses excessive force or brutality against
a team-mate, spectator, match offi cial or any other person.
Violent conduct may occur either on the field of play or outside its boundaries,
whether the ball is in play or not.
http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/affederation/generic/81/42/36/lawsofthegame_2010_11_e.pdf p.119 (or 121 of 140 of the whole document)

 

[Everest]

If you're going to quote FIFA rules, perhaps this needs to be considered:

A player is guilty of violent conduct if he uses excessive force or brutality
against an opponent when not challenging for the ball.
He is also guilty of violent conduct if he uses excessive force or brutality against
a team-mate, spectator, match offi cial or any other person.
Violent conduct may occur either on the field of play or outside its boundaries,
whether the ball is in play or not.
http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/affederation/generic/81/42/36/lawsofthegame_2010_11_e.pdf p.119 (or 121 of 140 of the whole document)

I don't think anyone is questioning the red card, so all of that is irrelevant.

 

[Sheebo]

If you're going to quote FIFA rules, perhaps this needs to be considered:

A player is guilty of violent conduct if he uses excessive force or brutality
against an opponent when not challenging for the ball.
He is also guilty of violent conduct if he uses excessive force or brutality against
a team-mate, spectator, match offi cial or any other person.
Violent conduct may occur either on the field of play or outside its boundaries,
whether the ball is in play or not.
http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/affederation/generic/81/42/36/lawsofthegame_2010_11_e.pdf p.119 (or 121 of 140 of the whole document)

Which surely has nothing to do with whether it's a pen or not - just that Greer could be sent off.

 

[Lady Whistledown]

If you're going to quote FIFA rules, perhaps this needs to be considered:

A player is guilty of violent conduct if he uses excessive force or brutality
against an opponent when not challenging for the ball.
He is also guilty of violent conduct if he uses excessive force or brutality against
a team-mate, spectator, match offi cial or any other person.
Violent conduct may occur either on the field of play or outside its boundaries,
whether the ball is in play or not.
http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/affederation/generic/81/42/36/lawsofthegame_2010_11_e.pdf p.119 (or 121 of 140 of the whole document)

Oh I fully accept that, that's obvious, what IS affected by whether the ball is in play or not is whether a penalty can be awarded. Few people are disputing the red card, we're just questioning whether it should have been a penalty or Rochdale continuing to take the free kick they originally had.

 

[Ned]

If you're going to quote FIFA rules, perhaps this needs to be considered:

A player is guilty of violent conduct if he uses excessive force or brutality
against an opponent when not challenging for the ball.
He is also guilty of violent conduct if he uses excessive force or brutality against
a team-mate, spectator, match offi cial or any other person.
Violent conduct may occur either on the field of play or outside its boundaries,
whether the ball is in play or not.
http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/affederation/generic/81/42/36/lawsofthegame_2010_11_e.pdf p.119 (or 121 of 140 of the whole document)

That justifies the reason for the red card, but not the penalty decision. A red card can be given in the tunnel for violent conduct.

 

[Ecosse Exile]

If you're going to quote FIFA rules, perhaps this needs to be considered:

A player is guilty of violent conduct if he uses excessive force or brutality
against an opponent when not challenging for the ball.
He is also guilty of violent conduct if he uses excessive force or brutality against
a team-mate, spectator, match offi cial or any other person.
Violent conduct may occur either on the field of play or outside its boundaries,
whether the ball is in play or not.
http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/affederation/generic/81/42/36/lawsofthegame_2010_11_e.pdf p.119 (or 121 of 140 of the whole document)

Quite correct Buffalo, but were not debating whether Greer should have been sent off. This is about if the ball is NOT in play then it is NOT a penalty even if the offence was in the penalty area.

 

[Easy 10]

Its all immaterial.
Even if the pen hadn't been awarded, Casper would only have PUNCHED the resulting free kick straight to one of their players for a tap-in anyway.

 

[Sheebo]

Its all immaterial.
Even if the pen hadn't been awarded, Casper would only have PUNCHED the resulting free kick straight to one of their players for a tap-in anyway.

I wouldn't say it's immaterial (can't tell if that lines serious or part of the joke). If the ref has made a mistake like this where he's broken the rules or inforced the wrong rules the club should be writing to the FA quickly. You could see that ref was inept...