Istanbul 2017 - so it begins

[whitelion]

35 reported killed in nightclub attack. RIP

 

[wehatepalace]

Gunman dressed as santa.

 

[Megazone]

RIP to all the victims.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

So incredibly sad.

 

[vegster]

I can't see anything changing, too many disaffected people who are willing to kill and die in the act themselves. There is no hope of negotiation with these people, they have no demands, they do it simply as a response to previous injustices and therefore " This is because of......." it's not a solution for them either, it just keeps the wheels of revenge constantly turning. No single religion can stop this or indeed cause it as there is too much hatred stored up already across numerous religions and factions.

If there is intelligent life in space and they came here they would probably shake their ( Numerous ? ) heads in despair.

 

[studio150]

Now 39 dead and 69 injured and even more publicity around the world. I would expect tourist mumbers to fall given the continuing violence in Turkey which is presumably one of the terrorists aims.

Sad news

 

[portslade seagull]

Plenty of nationalities among the dead. RIP

 

[symyjym]

We also have the two suicide bombings in Bagdad.25 killed. They've had 14 years of this.

 

[cjd]

We also have the two suicide bombings in Bagdad.25 killed. They've had 14 years of this.

Just 14 years ? These savages have been butchering and murdering each other in the name of their religion for considerably longer than that.


Am I allowed to speak the truth today ?

 

[symyjym]

Just 14 years ? These savages have been butchering and murdering each other in the name of their religion for considerably longer than that.


Am I allowed to speak the truth today ?

Historically the west cannot take the moral high ground but especially if you are speaking up in defense of Bush and Blair don’t bother. I fully understand the problems in Islam but that doesn’t mean that I won’t critisise our own governments and foreign policies.

 

[Triggaaar]

Historically the west cannot take the moral high ground but especially if you are speaking up in defense of Bush and Blair don’t bother. I fully understand the problems in Islam but that doesn’t mean that I won’t critisise our own governments and foreign policies.

Agreed, but will you also criticise Russia's foreign policy, or are they innocent in your eyes?

 

[cjd]

Historically the west cannot take the moral high ground but especially if you are speaking up in defense of Bush and Blair don’t bother. I fully understand the problems in Islam but that doesn’t mean that I won’t critisise our own governments and foreign policies.

I don't recall mentioning Bush or Blair and I have never mentioned them in any post on any part of this forum. It wouldn't have mattered if Mother Theresa had been in control of the West, these savages would still have been butchering and murdering each other in the name of their religion.

They always have done and sadly they always will do.

 

[Jackthelad]

Erdogan has supported Islamism wherever he can, be in his own nation or abroad and now Turkey is going to have a problem on two fronts the Kurdish separatists and Islamism. Turkey is growing more religious by the day Kemal Ataturk vision of secularism is being destroyed by Erdogan and the Turkish people will suffer because of it.

 

[symyjym]

Agreed, but will you also criticise Russia's foreign policy, or are they innocent in your eyes?

Innocent of what?

 

[Triggaaar]

Innocent of what?

Well, innocent of causing trouble in the middle east for example.

 

[BBassic]

I don't recall mentioning Bush or Blair and I have never mentioned them in any post on any part of this forum. It wouldn't have mattered if Mother Theresa had been in control of the West, these savages would still have been butchering and murdering each other in the name of their religion.

They always have done and sadly they always will do.

They should all convert to Christianity, nobody has ever done anything horrendous in the name of that God.

 

[bernster]

Agreed, but will you also criticise Russia's foreign policy, or are they innocent in your eyes?

Russia are backing a brutal secular dictator.we are backing the side that the Saudis want to win.there is no black or white in this war but if the side we are backing win then the consequences may be even worse than the awful situation already being played out in that tragic part of the world

 

[crookie]

They should all convert to Christianity, nobody has ever done anything horrendous in the name of that God.

Thankfully most of Christianity has moved on from the middle ages, unlike a large minority in Islam sadly

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[Triggaaar]

They should all convert to Christianity, nobody has ever done anything horrendous in the name of that God.

It's the same God.

 

[SULLY COULDNT SHOOT]

In response to another entry " I wonder if I'm allowed to speak the truth today?" So here's my truth - I was brought up in Surrey and then Brighton in the seventies during the IRA crisis. We lived with the idea of bombs going off anytime anywhere. There were no watsepaper bins because they were potential places for bombs. Who doesn't remember the Grand Hotel bombing? I was about 500 metres away when that happened. And even though we were still too young to perhaps to understand the ramifications we were aware that the press of a button anytime anywhere could mean the end of the world.

I am now living in Turkey... not Istanbul but Izmir and i travel there and elsewhere in Turkey regularly. I do not espouse the government's positions and am concerned about the way this country is going. However do I feel any less safe than I did in Brighton in the seventies? Not at all. I felt it when of the bombs went off in October In Istanbul, I was about 400 metres away. Still I don't feel less safe and i don't think I would feel any safer in Warsaw at the moment, or marseille or even New York.

That's my truth and I am here where it' s happening.