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Islamic state offensive taking over Ramadi



carlzeiss

Well-known member
May 19, 2009
6,236
Amazonia
you have misread me there mate.....i said "it will only be the intervention that finishes , not the age old problem of underlying hostilities between the clans/sects/tribes" or words to those effects .....you have put an "it" in where there weren't one.....there is an ISIS expert called Tim kilcullen he has just published a paper saying that isis could soon gain nuclear capability via iran and if this starts to look much more likely / imminent the odds of Israel getting itchy fingers in the nuclear department are pretty high.....google him if you can be arsed.....i have to apologise , i was under the impression that there were still British troops in Iraq ......a mate of mine who works for BP in Iraq says there are " hundreds" of troops in the vicinity of where he is working and also "hundreds" of ex-military body-gaurd/security types...! hopes this clears the confusion ,i was starting to wonder what you were on about as
well...:laugh:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-from-pakistan-within-12-months-10270525.html



Isis has used the latest issue of its propaganda magazine Dabiq to suggest the group is expanding so rapidly it could buy its first nuclear weapon within a year.

The hyperbolic article, which the group attributes to the British hostage John Cantlie, claims Isis has transcended its roots as “the most explosive Islamic ‘group’ in the modern world” to evolve into “the most explosive Islamic movement the modern world has ever seen” in less than twelve months.

Photojournalist Cantlie is regularly used in the terror group’s propaganda and has appeared in a number of videos, including a YouTube series called "Lend Me Your Ears". He has been held a hostage by Isis for more than two years.

The piece, entitled "The Perfect Storm", describes militant Islamist groups such as Boko Haram, which recently pledged allegiance to Isis, uniting across the Middle East, Africa and Asia to create one global movement.

The article claims this alignment of groups has happened at the sane time as Isis militants have seized “tanks, rocket launchers, missile systems, anti-aircraft systems,” from the US and Iran before turning to the subject of more extreme weapons the group is not in possession of - such as nuclear weapons.

“Let me throw a hypothetical operation onto the table,” the article continues. “The Islamic State has billions of dollars in the bank, so they call on their wilāyah in Pakistan to purchase a nuclear device through weapons dealers with links to corrupt officials in the region."

It admits that such a scenario is “far-fetched” but warns: “It’s the sum of all fears for Western intelligence agencies and it’s infinitely more possible today than it was just one year ago.

"And if not a nuke, what about a few thousand tons of ammonium nitrate explosive? That’s easy enough to make."

An attack launched by Isis against America would ridicule "the attacks of the past".

"They’ll [Isis] be looking to do something big, something that would make any past operation look like a squirrel shoot, and the more groups that pledge allegiance the more possible it becomes to pull off something truly epic.

“Remember, all of this has happened in less than a year. How more dangerous will be the lines of communication and supply a year on from today?”

The capacity of Isis to acquire such a device is certainly beyond the group at the moment.

But Isis is indeed a well funded group having secured a number of oilfields in Syria and Iraq. The group also sells artefacts looted from historic areas seized during its insurgency, sometimes for six figure sums, as well as imposing taxes on civilians trapped in its self-declared caliphate and other methods of extortion.

The finances of the group have been estimated by some to be in the $2billion area, though it is impossible to verify how much money it actually has access to.

The threats come against a mixed backdrop of successes and losses in both countries; the group has been driven out of Tikrit in Iraq but has overrun Ramaldi and the Syrian ancient city of Palmyra.

A recent call to arms from its leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi also appeared to suggest it may be overstretched in some areas, with his speech urging supporters from across the world to travel to its territories in the Middle East.

In September last year, the Home Secretary, Theresa May, warned that the militant group could become the world's first "truly terrorist state".

“We will see the risk, often prophesied but thank God not yet fulfilled, that with the capability of a state behind them, the terrorists will acquire chemical, biological or even nuclear weapons to attack us," she said.
 




beorhthelm

A. Virgo, Football Genius
Jul 21, 2003
36,026
this whole thing about ISIL having $2bn income to spend on terrorism is ignoring that they are running a state and prosecuting a war. that costs money so i dont believe they have much change left out of $2bn for buying nuclear weapons (if anyone was willing to really sell, any you sell you dont have yourself)
 


Freddie Goodwin.

Well-known member
Mar 31, 2007
7,186
Brighton
I'm no expert but wars are expensive, the did for the British Empire, so who is looking after this states population? how are they being fed, what are they producing in regards to work and trade and what about infrastructure? You can't just have a state that rages war with no regards to the population or is it just kill or drive them all out and then where is your State?
 


clippedgull

Hotdogs, extra onions
Aug 11, 2003
20,789
Near Ducks, Geese, and Seagulls
I'm no expert but wars are expensive, the did for the British Empire, so who is looking after this states population? how are they being fed, what are they producing in regards to work and trade and what about infrastructure? You can't just have a state that rages war with no regards to the population or is it just kill or drive them all out and then where is your State?

An in depth article explaining ISIS http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/09/16/world/middleeast/how-isis-works.html
 


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