Islam Shamed

[looney]

Did anyone watch American History X last night?


Islam advocates violence against unbeleivers, it also contains caveats. It is a hatefull religion.

Islam is not unified like the catlick church etc therefor nutty mullahs preach hate.


are we supposed to twiddle are thumbs and hope that they dont go on a deathfest in our schools?

Or maybe bomb countries that sponsor these scum types and/or dont sought out their Madrasses?


Will Bradford become our Chechneya?

A Muslim may not sell land to a non-muslim.

A Muslim is obligated to bring about the Kaliphate.

This means trouble.

 

[On the Left Wing]

So the IRA, Bader Meinhoff Gang, the Red Brigade, Etta, the Uni Bomber, the White Imperialists, Combat 18 and many others, too many too mention, were all really muslims?

 

[Lammy]

I'm really not sure what point is being made by listing every non Muslim terror groups you can think of. I'm sure if you did a search on the web it would come up with loads for you. What does that prove?

The opening statement says that NOT all muslims are terrerists but it seems that most (not all) terrists are muslim.

Also there is a difference between the IRA and Bin Laden. The IRA were more interested in making a point rather than simply killing people (obviously I'm not condoning them AT ALL) they used to at least give a warning before they bombed a place.

If you like the american were guilty of genecide of the native Americans. But what has that got to do with the opening post?

 

[somerset]

All those death squads running around Colombia are Muslims?

The millions killed in the tribal slaughter in Africa over the last 10 years? Bloody Muslims!

Thatcher's favourite terrorist, Nelson Mandela, was also a Muslim. Not a lot of people know that.

That Russian army responsible for hundreds of thousands of murders, rapes and child-killing in Chechnya. Could be a tricky one pinning the Muslim tag on them, though.

Apart from your second example, of which many (not all) of the terrorists/freedom fighters in Africa ARE muslims, I actually agree with your comments.

I would however add one glaring omission from your list, the murdering terrorists of both persuasions who have killed men, women and children over the last generation or two on the other side of the Irish Sea,..... they certainly aren't Muslims.

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

The terrorists in Beslan have raised the bar or reached the bottom if you like. In a different stratosphere to the IRA imho.

 

[Jim D]

Well done everyone for spotting the inconsistencies in the argument. You've all shown that you're right on the ball when it comes to identifying terrorists.

I think this was a very brave article for the guy to write, as he is obviously well known in muslim circles, and he could well become the subject of a fatwa.

The plain fact is that there has been a sea-change in the concept of terrorism over the last few years - brought on through the willingness of the 'terrorists' to die during their acts. I challenge anyone to name a non-muslim terrorist group that has this as a central concept. Sure, people have died during acts of terrorism committed by the IRA, ETA, Red Brigades, etc. - but this has either been as the result of an accident or through the act being discovered and armed police/military being on hand. Suicidal terrorists with hostages are simply impossible to negotiate with, as theirs is an 'all or nothing' deal - so unless you give in to their demands you might as well consider all the hostages dead already.

When word first came out about the Russian school seige, and it was known that the culprits were muslim, how many of you thought it would end peacefully, through a negotiated settlement? I didn't, and I doubt that anyone else did either. When word came out that their demands were for Chechen independence surely we all knew that hope was lost?

I now believe that, in a similar hostage situation - with muslim extremists - the only course of action is to attack them immediately, before they have a chance to defend their perimeter. It should be assumed that casualties will be 100%, so anyone saved will be a bonus. After all, if they'd just walked in and blown themselves up there would have been many deaths anyway.

With the IRA there was (generally) a warning given before an attack, with muslim terrorists there is none. This is surely the ultimate act of terror, and we in the firing line will have to devise new aproaches to fighting it. Perhaps the last few days have really opened our eyes to what we're all facing.

 

[itszamora]

Well done everyone for spotting the inconsistencies in the argument. You've all shown that you're right on the ball when it comes to identifying terrorists.

I think this was a very brave article for the guy to write, as he is obviously well known in muslim circles, and he could well become the subject of a fatwa.

Well said. I get the feeling that this person is one of the many millions of ordinary muslims who abhors violence; which islam does indeed preach against. Unfortunately just as in the crusades, religion is being used as an excuse for violence by terrorists who claim they are Muslims and feel that their religion somehow justifies their actions.

It is a very sad situation, which I agree it is important for the Muslim community to address. However it is right to keep this in perspective; as he states many terrorists are (or claim to be) Muslims, however not all terrorists are Muslims. The world should direct its anger towards the terrorists, not any religion or group as a whole.

 

[somerset]

Well done everyone for spotting the inconsistencies in the argument. You've all shown that you're right on the ball when it comes to identifying terrorists.

I think this was a very brave article for the guy to write, as he is obviously well known in muslim circles, and he could well become the subject of a fatwa.

The plain fact is that there has been a sea-change in the concept of terrorism over the last few years - brought on through the willingness of the 'terrorists' to die during their acts. I challenge anyone to name a non-muslim terrorist group that has this as a central concept. Sure, people have died during acts of terrorism committed by the IRA, ETA, Red Brigades, etc. - but this has either been as the result of an accident or through the act being discovered and armed police/military being on hand. Suicidal terrorists with hostages are simply impossible to negotiate with, as theirs is an 'all or nothing' deal - so unless you give in to their demands you might as well consider all the hostages dead already.

When word first came out about the Russian school seige, and it was known that the culprits were muslim, how many of you thought it would end peacefully, through a negotiated settlement? I didn't, and I doubt that anyone else did either. When word came out that their demands were for Chechen independence surely we all knew that hope was lost?

I now believe that, in a similar hostage situation - with muslim extremists - the only course of action is to attack them immediately, before they have a chance to defend their perimeter. It should be assumed that casualties will be 100%, so anyone saved will be a bonus. After all, if they'd just walked in and blown themselves up there would have been many deaths anyway.

With the IRA there was (generally) a warning given before an attack, with muslim terrorists there is none. This is surely the ultimate act of terror, and we in the firing line will have to devise new aproaches to fighting it. Perhaps the last few days have really opened our eyes to what we're all facing.

Here, here.......... very succinct, reflects i think, very accurately the thoughts of us all.