ISIS was created by the CIA and Mossad?

[beorhthelm]

well its worked out so well for them, and so many outcomes from this have aided the US, it must be true.

 

[bWize]

Says a credulous somebody who seems to believe every bonkers conspiracy theory going, just because somebody put a video in the internet that actually proves nothing.

Have you ever tried to prove a negative - it isn't as easy as you seem to think.

How do you know what I believe? It would be very foolish of you to write off the possibility given the American/CIA history...

That isn't tin foil hat level, look at what the yanks did when they dropped radios tuned in to bogus radio stations during the Vietnam war. I trust my own instinct over main stream media!

 

[Triggaaar]

Anyone who doesn't believe every stupid conspiracy theory:

You believe everything thats put infront of you and incapable of critical thinking by yourself...

Why do you believe this shit? Oh yeah, because someone put it in front of you on youtube and you can't think for yourself.

 

[GingerBeerMan]

Right, so communism wasn't real then? And communism never did anything wrong?

I think you missed the point a little as to why I related the two things. Communism was a tool for Western governments (mostly America) to drive patriotism and fear and allow them to indoctrinate the general population, making them easier to influence and justify things like huge military budgets and wars around the world. The wars and funding of foreign regime's against left wing opposition enabled America to have a say in the politics of many overseas nations for their own benefits and also prop up the military and arms manufacturing industry which is one of the corner stones of a prosperous America.

America were never really scared of communism spreading to America after the first Red Scare, they just saw it as a fantastic way to push their own agenda.

Now communism has mostly disappeared and people don't fear it, the Western governments needed another idea to 'unite against', and so the WMDs in Iraq were invented and we initiated a war which we knew would de-stabilise a region and could be used for many decades to come to continue the justification of the things mentioned above.

 

[bWize]

Anyone who doesn't believe every stupid conspiracy theory:


Why do you believe this shit? Oh yeah, because someone put it in front of you on youtube and you can't think for yourself.

Wrong... I have thought this for a long time and it's been bugging me. I just used the YouTube vid as an illustration... If you really want a deep convo then give me a PM.. I'm not some conspiracy sheep who watches a vid on youtube and rushes to a forum to post about it.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Wrong... I have thought this for a long time and it's been bugging me. I just used the YouTube vid as an illustration... If you really want a deep convo then give me a PM.. I'm not some conspiracy sheep who watches a vid on youtube and rushes to a forum to post about it.

Can you go and let it bug you a bit more? Do some more research, instead of rushing to a football forum to foist it all on us. Some of us are quite capable of thinking for ourselves too.

 

[bWize]

Can you go and let it bug you a bit more? Do some more research, instead of rushing to a football forum to foist it all on us. Some of us are quite capable of thinking for ourselves too.

Have done plenty of research. If you want a football thread I suggest you look elsewhere. Nobody forced you to read or post on this thread. Cheers!

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Have done plenty of research. If you want a football thread I suggest you look elsewhere. Nobody forced you to read or post on this thread. Cheers!

You're welcome. You weren't forced to read my opinion either.

 

[RexCathedra]

I think you missed the point a little as to why I related the two things. Communism was a tool for Western governments (mostly America) to drive patriotism and fear and allow them to indoctrinate the general population.

I doubt the Balts, Hungarians, Czechs, Bulgarians, etc. and especially the Poles, saw it that way...

 

[Baldseagull]

Unlikely. But not impossible. I think it would be credible to say they are a consequence of American foreign policy, but not an intentional one.
I have heard that the first use of the phrase "conspiracy theorist" was by the CIA, in use to discredit conspiracy theorists, but this may just be a conspiracy theory.

 

[bWize]

Unlikely. But not impossible. I think it would be credible to say they are a consequence of American foreign policy, but not an intentional one.
I have heard that the first use of the phrase "conspiracy theorist" was by the CIA, in use to discredit conspiracy theorists, but this may just be a conspiracy theory.

There are more red herrings and mis-information than truth on the internet these days, but I truly believe ISIS is a western/Israel creation..

 

[Cheshire Cat]

How do you know what I believe? It would be very foolish of you to write off the possibility given the American/CIA history...

That isn't tin foil hat level, look at what the yanks did when they dropped radios tuned in to bogus radio stations during the Vietnam war. I trust my own instinct over main stream media!

I wouldn't trust my instinct at all. I would prefer to trust someone who knows rather more about the topic than me, and doesn't necessarily pander to my own inbuilt prejudices.

I now have to go and cut my toenails because the voices are telling me to do it

 

[bWize]

I wouldn't trust my instinct at all. I would prefer to trust someone who knows rather more about the topic than me, and doesn't necessarily pander to my own inbuilt prejudices.

I now have to go and cut my toenails because the voices are telling me to do it

I have no bias or voices telling me. I just know when something doesn't sit right and after extensive research across multiple sources I am convinced we are being played!

 

[Triggaaar]

I think you missed the point a little as to why I related the two things. Communism was a tool for Western governments (mostly America) to drive patriotism and fear and allow them to indoctrinate the general population, making them easier to influence and justify things like huge military budgets and wars around the world.

So you don't think the west were genuinely concerned about the rise of Communism, it was just a tool? And you don't think they thought it was a good idea to spend on the military following the two world wars, and what Russia did after the second world war?

Now communism has mostly disappeared and people don't fear it, the Western governments needed another idea to 'unite against', and so the WMDs in Iraq were invented and we initiated a war which we knew would de-stabilise a region and could be used for many decades to come to continue the justification of the things mentioned above.

That's tin hat stuff right there.

I'm no fan of some things the west do, particularly the US's occupation of the Marshall Islands, and the treatment of their citizens. I don't trust the CIA either, but that doesn't mean I'm going to jump to the wild conclusion that the US created ISIS.

 

[bWize]

So you don't think the west were genuinely concerned about the rise of Communism, it was just a tool? And you don't think they thought it was a good idea to spend on the military following the two world wars, and what Russia did after the second world war?

That's tin hat stuff right there.

I'm no fan of some things the west do, particularly the US's occupation of the Marshall Islands, and the treatment of their citizens. I don't trust the CIA either, but that doesn't mean I'm going to jump to the wild conclusion that the US created ISIS.

It's well documented the U.S trained Al Qaeda... Why do you have such a hard time believing they formed/funded ISIS?

 

[looney]

IS is the 6th Caliphate(there can be only 12), the other 5 existeds without the USA and Israel.


Its part of a neo-nazi conspiracy theory loosly based on some hebrew sects view that Israel extends to the Euphrates river in Iraq.

Also based on the half truth that israel does not have any borders. Ignores the lack of resources and people needed to make this ludicrious sceme work.

Kek is the one true god though.

 

[beorhthelm]

Can you go and let it bug you a bit more? Do some more research, instead of rushing to a football forum to foist it all on us. Some of us are quite capable of thinking for ourselves too.

dont ask to do research, that will just lead to more youtube videos and visiting related websites that perpetuate the conspiracy. anyone not believing just hasnt looked hard enough, or a sheeple, willing to accept anything they're told. no critical analysis of the source or credibilty of the claims will be made, like the simple fact nothing positive for the west has come from the presence of ISIL.

 

[Triggaaar]

Wrong... I have thought this for a long time and it's been bugging me. I just used the YouTube vid as an illustration...

I've watched as much of that video as I can (over 5 minutes!). In my independent opinion, the video is very poor and doesn't give any real reason to for me to think that that ISIS was created by the west.

If you really want a deep convo then give me a PM.. I'm not some conspiracy sheep who watches a vid on youtube and rushes to a forum to post about it.

If you think you have some interesting evidence, post it here. I imagine most people here are capable of looking at evidence and thinking for themselves whether or not it's real.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

So you don't think the west were genuinely concerned about the rise of Communism, it was just a tool? And you don't think they thought it was a good idea to spend on the military following the two world wars, and what Russia did after the second world war?

That's tin hat stuff right there.

I'm no fan of some things the west do, particularly the US's occupation of the Marshall Islands, and the treatment of their citizens. I don't trust the CIA either, but that doesn't mean I'm going to jump to the wild conclusion that the US created ISIS.

What on earth did the world population do before America became a nation? Who did they blame all the wars on then?

 

[bWize]

I've watched as much of that video as I can (over 5 minutes!). In my independent opinion, the video is very poor and doesn't give any real reason to for me to think that that ISIS was created by the west.

If you think you have some interesting evidence, post it here. I imagine most people here are capable of looking at evidence and thinking for themselves whether or not it's real.

Well lets break it down.. Can you hand on heart dismiss that the west/Israel are behind ISIS for their own agenda?