ISIS: It appears the 2nd Japanese hostage has been murdered

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wellquickwoody

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I express my sympathies to the families and friends of both the journalist and pilot.

I now await the spoutings of the usual apologists......
 






chimneys

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Jun 11, 2007
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Who paid him to go then.
I'll ignore being called a cock until we meet up one day.
Don't remember calling him anything-you did that.

Its this told you so attitude I despise.

Yes its very easy to pour scorn on his endeavour, but I'm pretty sure money was one of the last things on his mind when he took the ill-fated decision to enter Syria.
 


Blackadder

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Jul 6, 2003
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I know two wrongs don't make a right and I am normally not a vindictive man.
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It wouldn't bother me if Jihadi John was identified and a third party (Not a government obviously) shot a video of his family dressed in orange, kneeling, With the words.

"Disregard our demands, they are losing their heads tomorrow!".

I don't even want them killed. Just would be nice to put the f**ker through it for a change!
 


SIMMO SAYS

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Wow. A guy has lost his life and you're blaming him for trying to make a quick buck? There's a time and a place.

When you get to the grand old age of 58 I find it hard to put up with stupid people putting themselves into harms way.Once again you said fast buck I didn't.
 




clungemeister

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I know two wrongs don't make a right and I am normally not a vindictive man.
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It wouldn't bother me if Jihadi John was identified and a third party (Not a government obviously) shot a video of his family dressed in orange, kneeling, With the words.

"Disregard our demands, they are losing their heads tomorrow!".

I don't even want them killed. Just would be nice to put the f**ker through it for a change!

good shout......perhaps they should start electrocuting his family and putting the footage out on the web , the trouble is they think that western govts are week and that they are truly within their rights to kill infidels and there will be no come back on them as they will end up being martyred on their own terms at a time of their choosing..........start whacking their families and see how they like it.
 


spence

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Exactly how did he think he was going to help negotiate the release of the previous hostage? Noble sentiments but just created even more problems. These thugs aren't human in the slightest and certainly not religious.
:lolol:
 


Blackadder

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good shout......perhaps they should start electrocuting his family and putting the footage out on the web , the trouble is they think that western govts are week and that they are truly within their rights to kill infidels and there will be no come back on them as they will end up being martyred on their own terms at a time of their choosing..........start whacking their families and see how they like it.

Hang on. I don't really want family members killed. You can't help who you are related to. I just want the the guilty to feel the fear they put innocent people through.
 




SIMMO SAYS

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Its this told you so attitude I despise.

Yes its very easy to pour scorn on his endeavour, but I'm pretty sure money was one of the last things on his mind when he took the ill-fated decision to enter Syria.

Chimneys - I don't despise anyone on nsc,least of all you.Where did I say 'told you so'
IF my son and I were offered loads of money plumbing work in Syria and got caught by Isil would it be our fault or your fault?
 




clungemeister

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Hang on. I don't really want family members killed. You can't help who you are related to. I just want the the guilty to feel the fear they put innocent people through.

not bothered either way , do you really think that these people have gone off to wage jihad without discussing it with their families , i don't.......some of the younger ones maybe , but not this feckwhitt.....complex situation no doubt but i say deport all families of jihadists to Syria........so they can reunite with their beloved off-spring.
 






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Wasn't the first Japanese national beheaded a self styled 'security' expert?



Not entirely sure what your point is but I'm not trying to kid anyone. At the top of the IS tree is surely is just about who has power. Nothing to do with religion.

Trying to say Isis aren't religious is beyond ridiculous.
 


Soulman

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These thugs aren't human in the slightest and certainly not religious.

I would like to agree, but i can't. Boko Harem, Hamas, the Shia fighting the Sunni's plus other groups around the globe, they are all part of the same religion, the extremist part perhaps, but the same religion none the less.
 




spence

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Care to elucidate?

Yes i find your comment about Isis followers not being religious quite laughable. You can deny it all you want to yourself.
 


cjd

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I would like to agree, but i can't. Boko Harem, Hamas, the Shia fighting the Sunni's plus other groups around the globe, they are all part of the same religion, the extremist part perhaps, but the same religion none the less.

That they are driven by their Muslim religious beliefs is a fact.

That they are savages...is merely my opinion.
 








drew

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I would like to agree, but i can't. Boko Harem, Hamas, the Shia fighting the Sunni's plus other groups around the globe, they are all part of the same religion, the extremist part perhaps, but the same religion none the less.

I appreciate that they purport to be religious but in reality it's just about power over others by using force and intimidation.
 


Barrel of Fun

Abort, retry, fail
These people who go to war torn countries do it for MONEY.
Plenty of places to visit and not get beheaded.

https://cpj.org/blog/2015/01/kenji-gotos-reporting-is-voice-of-humanity-in-time.php

Kenji Goto, the 47-year-old television journalist held captive by the Islamic State (IS), is not a typical reporter, nor is he typically Japanese. But his courage and commitment to broadcasting humane stories from some of the world's most dangerous conflict zones would put him at the pinnacle of his profession anywhere in the world. It was such courage that took him to Syria last year, where he was taken hostage.

After the tragic murder last week of his fellow hostage and friend, Haruna Yukawa, the militant group released a statement conditioning his release on a swap with a woman imprisoned in Jordan after a failed suicide bombing. Today, IS released a video with a voiceover said to be Goto's, which claims he has 24 hours left to live unless his captors' demands are met. Whatever the outcome, Goto's capture is an outrage.

I met Goto in 2010 when I was bureau chief for The Economist in Tokyo. He was an occasional neighbor, when he wasn't visiting trouble spots in the Middle East. He is a much-loved father, who has three children. It is hard to reconcile the soft-spoken, gentle man, who once paled in a bowling alley because the sound of the balls reminded him of bombs dropping on Iraq, with the image of a hardened war correspondent. But he covers wars with a difference. Instead of focusing on who is winning or losing, he tells the stories of ordinary people, especially children, who are forced to endure conflict and the horrors surrounding them. It is their resilience that inspires him, he says. When you ask how he reaches the dangerous places he reports from, he says he follows the footsteps of normal people getting on with their lives. They show him the way.

Since founding his news agency, Independent Press, in 1996, he has covered conflict in Chechnya, Albania, Kosovo, Sierra Leone, Liberia, Afghanistan, Iraq, and Syria, among other places. As a freelancer, he funds many of these trips himself. In Japan, there is an almost tribal loyalty between TV networks and their staff, but Goto has won the respect of the networks by visiting places they are reluctant to send their correspondents to. His documentaries regularly air on NHK, Japan's national network, TV Asahi and others. But he would insist on taking responsibility for his own safety so they would not be blamed if he came to any harm. His friends think that was the point of his last video, recorded on October 25, before his kidnap, in which he said he took full responsibility for his actions.

Goto has experienced the full horror of war. In Liberia, friends recall, he talked about seeing hundreds of bodies being bulldozed into a grave the size of a swimming pool. In Iraq, he said a soldier put a gun to his head. But he has sought to draw out lessons from his reporting that are uplifting, especially for children. His DVD and book, Welcome to Our School, brought out by NHK in 2003, featured children in countries including Iraq and Afghanistan introducing their schools, even those closed by conflict, and talking about their love of learning. He has also written books about AIDS, child soldiers in Sierra Leone, genocide in Rwanda, and schoolgirls in Afghanistan. On visits to schools, he has told children in Japan how privileged they are that school is such a "normal" part of life.

On Japanese television he has brought the outside world to children with little knowledge of it. Akira Ikegami, a TV anchor, recalls hosting Goto on a NHK family news program where he tried so hard to project the pain of youngsters living in war-torn regions of the Middle East that it had a moving impact on the viewers. "He is a warm-hearted guy who has a sense of duty in his reporting," Ikegami told me via email. Ikegami added that most Japanese tend to regard conflict in far-flung places as alien. But with his humanitarian approach, Goto has stirred up interest and inspired some to start voluntary work on behalf of refugees.

In Japan, the popular pressure to free him is growing, after a hesitant start in which some attacked him on social media for being in Syria in the first place. An #IamKenji campaign on Facebook and Twitter has mushroomed. There had been growing hope he would be freed alongside Muath al-Kasabeh, the Jordanian fighter pilot also held by IS. However the latest video, if authentic, suggests Goto and the pilot remain in grave danger. A brave journalist who is a voice of humanity in the midst of atrocity is in the midst of a tragic hostage situation. He should be freed.
 


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