ISIS execute 13 football fans by firing squad

[BadFish]

Yawn....... here comes the apologist,..... they kill for their religion,they excuse it as religious duty, they represent their version of the religion in word and deed,..... it is religion.

Nah.

 

[dangull]

What happened to that thread with 63 pages ? might as well merged this one with it.

 

[Bryzee]

These ragheads seem to want a world war by doing cowardly things I`m completly sick of hearing the words on the news islamist, jihadist, terrorist, suicide bomber everytime you watch the news these religious pricks believe in a load of rubbish thats all make believe and bulls***
out of date load of crap and a god thats supernatural they are all brain washed and need gassing.

 

[Kazenga <3]

Sounds like they took 'shoot the palace scum' a little too literally

 

[helipilot]

My Muslim neighbour has never machine gunned me down for watching football.

We are only half way through the season to be fair

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

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Blaming Islam for the actions of ISIS, is like blaming Nationalism for the actions of Anders Brievik

As I can't give you a thumbs up, I will just have to be content to say that some people on here are morons, will never listen and are gloriously attached to their prejudices, with no inclination to accept that there are in fact thousands of shades of grey possible between black and white.

 

[Kuipers Supporters Club]

Please do not criticise Islam. Tonight I had a meal with 3 Muslims, we sat and prayed for victims of what ISIL do, you have no idea how much normal peace loving Muslims hate these people.

Islam is a religion of peace, but just like any other belief system you can twist anything it and use it as an excuse for your actions. As has been shown throughout history, not just with Islam.
These people are not Muslims.

 

[cunning fergus]

Please do not criticise Islam. Tonight I had a meal with 3 Muslims, we sat and prayed for victims of what ISIL do, you have no idea how much normal peace loving Muslims hate these people.

Islam is a religion of peace, but just like any other belief system you can twist anything it and use it as an excuse for your actions. As has been shown throughout history, not just with Islam.
These people are not Muslims.

You seem committed to this outlook.

Serious question.

How do you think one of these IS Jonnies would react if you were to engage him/her with your view of their conduct and expression of Islam?

Do you think you would win him/her round with your view that they are not Muslim?

 

[cjd]

Please do not criticise Islam. Tonight I had a meal with 3 Muslims, we sat and prayed for victims of what ISIL do, you have no idea how much normal peace loving Muslims hate these people.

Islam is a religion of peace, but just like any other belief system you can twist anything it and use it as an excuse for your actions. As has been shown throughout history, not just with Islam.
These people are not Muslims.

I,m sorry to disappoint you but these savages are most definitely Muslims......and there are tens of thousands of them who think exactly as they do.

 

[Kuipers Supporters Club]

You seem committed to this outlook.

Serious question.

How do you think one of these IS Jonnies would react if you were to engage him/her with your view of their conduct and expression of Islam?

Do you think you would win him/her round with your view that they are not Muslim?

It depends where I asked them, if it was at my house, with my Muslim friends, we could show him how his vision of Islam has been warped by those above him with an agenda.

It's all subjective, but they don't represent Islam at all. They think they do, but they don't, the vast vast majority of peaceful Muslims show that. It's like saying the IRA represents Christianity,

Or this woman: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...week-old-baby-stuffing-pages-Bible-mouth.html

Or these fantatics in DR Congo:http://www.aljazeera.com/news/afric...gains-control-capital-201312301132596774.html

The cases above do not represent 99% of Christianity and Daash (ISIL) / Boko Haram do not represent nearly TWO BILLION people. It's like saying the violent Derby fan from the weekend represents all other rams - of course he doesn't.

 

[Kuipers Supporters Club]

I,m sorry to disappoint you but these savages are most definitely Muslims......and there are tens of thousands of them who think exactly as they do.

There are estimates for how many Daash fighters there are, estimates vary and a median is 100,000, out of two nearly two billion Muslims that's 0.005%!!!

Let's say they have sympathy from more than this, which I admit they do (for questionable reasons) it's going to be around a quarter of a million (top estimate), that is still 0.0125% of ALL MUSLIMS!

Sorry btw - I've answered your questions in my post above, I live with Muslims - they are peaceful, loving humans, just like me and you. The people in Daash are not Muslims at all, shown by the fatwa put upon those going to fight.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

It's like saying the IRA represents Christianity,

I get what you're saying but lets narrow down the IRA to Catholicism ( which is an equally vile religion ).

 

[pastafarian]

Blaming Islam for the actions of ISIS, is like blaming Nationalism for the actions of Anders Brievik

They definitely dropped a bollock calling it Islamic State.........stupid Mormons

 

[pastafarian]

Please do not criticise Islam. Tonight I had a meal with 3 Muslims, we sat and prayed for victims of what ISIL do, you have no idea how much normal peace loving Muslims hate these people.

Islam is a religion of peace, but just like any other belief system you can twist anything it and use it as an excuse for your actions. As has been shown throughout history, not just with Islam.
These people are not Muslims.

I remember listening to a muslim cleric on this very issue after the Paris murders.He was saying there is a wide debate going on amongst muslims of how to eradicate the extremists out of their religion.He also added there are some people usually non muslim who have taken a misguided approach in labelling these people as not muslim at all. They are very much muslims, he said,just very bad muslims.Labelling them as not muslims is completely unhelpful to the wider debate going on in the muslim community he said and simply tries to stifle those trying to make progress on the issue.

 

[spence]

Absolute nonsense to say they are not Muslims as others have pointed out

 

[Deadly Danson]

Seems quite simple. I loathe and wish nothing but pain and misery on Muslims who think or do this sort of thing. I have no issue and wish peace and love on peace loving Muslims (other than my opinion that all religion is phoney baloney medieval nonsense that I struggle to understand how any sane individual could believe in).

 

[cunning fergus]

It depends where I asked them, if it was at my house, with my Muslim friends, we could show him how his vision of Islam has been warped by those above him with an agenda.

It's all subjective, but they don't represent Islam at all. They think they do, but they don't, the vast vast majority of peaceful Muslims show that. It's like saying the IRA represents Christianity,

Or this woman: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...week-old-baby-stuffing-pages-Bible-mouth.html

Or these fantatics in DR Congo:http://www.aljazeera.com/news/afric...gains-control-capital-201312301132596774.html

The cases above do not represent 99% of Christianity and Daash (ISIL) / Boko Haram do not represent nearly TWO BILLION people. It's like saying the violent Derby fan from the weekend represents all other rams - of course he doesn't.

You are wrong, they clearly consider that they represent Islam, you are entitled to think they don't.

To suggest different is naivety, no matter how laudable your motive.

To put it another way, one pitch invader from the home end does not mean ALL Derby fans want to invade the pitch, but he is still undoubtedly a Derby fan. To suggest he is not a Derby fan would be ridiculous.

 

[BadFish]

I,m sorry to disappoint you but these savages are most definitely Muslims......and there are tens of thousands of them who think exactly as they do.

and there are millions of Muslims who don't. To lump them all together lacks logic and makes absolutely no sense. The Irony is that IS will of course be thrilled that you are so short sighted as it plays right into their hands and gives them what they want.

 

[Hastings gull]

Please do not criticise Islam. Tonight I had a meal with 3 Muslims, we sat and prayed for victims of what ISIL do, you have no idea how much normal peace loving Muslims hate these people.

Islam is a religion of peace, but just like any other belief system you can twist anything it and use it as an excuse for your actions. As has been shown throughout history, not just with Islam.
These people are not Muslims.

To be fair, I think the post actually meant that these animals are not representative of what he thinks the majority are like, and this was his point, rather than they are literally not muslims. Much of is made, understandably enough, of the fact that the jihadists. or whatever other description of them you fancy, make up a small minority, that minority may have larger support than we care to imagine. I could be wrong, of course, but the support for, shall we say, a less moderate form of Islam in the UK seems to be growing, and sadly, a well-organised, possibly well-armed, determined, and ruthless minority tends to hold sway over the more lethargic majority. I am not saying we are there (yet?) but the risk becomes ever greater.

 

[BadFish]

To be fair, I think the post actually meant that these animals are not representative of what he thinks the majority are like, and this was his point, rather than they are literally not muslims. Much of is made, understandably enough, of the fact that the jihadists. or whatever other description of them you fancy, make up a small minority, that minority may have larger support than we care to imagine. I could be wrong, of course, but the support for, shall we say, a less moderate form of Islam in the UK seems to be growing, and sadly, a well-organised, possibly well-armed, determined, and ruthless minority tends to hold sway over the more lethargic majority. I am not saying we are there (yet?) but the risk becomes ever greater.

I agree I think that is what he meant too.

I think the trouble with the situation is that too many people blame 'Islam' for this kind of stuff. This is causing more friction between the Muslim community and everyone else. This friction inevitably pushes more people to the extremes of their particular side (both sides). So the upshot of us blaming Islam for every done it its name (however twisted and *******ised) is that we have more extremists Muslims despite the fact that logic of doing so is heavily flawed.

Well its a theory anyway