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[News] Is this for real?
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Wardy's twin
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- Oct 21, 2014
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If I condemn the rich for not paying enough tax or indeed being too wealthy I cannot equally not question someone who is on the face of it exploiting the system.
Whether benefits are fundamentally enough* is a different argument though, from "it's not fair they're taking away the emergency Covid uplift". Conflating the two isn't how I'm looking at it.
(*And where I 100% agree with you they aren't).
Baldseagull
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Yes, it is for real, just as winter is coming and energy prices rise, a cut to benefits.
No VAT exemption on domestic fuel as Johnson and Gove were selling as one of the advantages of Brexit, when asking this woman and others to vote leave.
The Commons Work and Pensions Committee looked at this cut in February as it was originally due to be cut in March, they said keeping the higher rate until April 2022 must be the minimum.
The Minister for Work and Pensions criticised scaremongering over the expected cut in March, and said Rishi Sunak had "a proven record of stepping up to protect the poorest, the most vulnerable and disadvantaged in our country throughout this pandemic and I have no doubt he will continue to do so" he didn't say, "continue to do so for 6 months and then that's it."
The extra cash is estimated to cost the Treasury £6 Billion for the coming 12 months, clearly a big expense, and we can see why they are keen to end it.
A bit frustrating though, when we know mates of Ministers got rich (or richer), on contracts for PPE that was shit or did not exist, and Brexit related waste and expense is still adding up. Still, **** em, they will only spend the extra cash in the UK economy, probably on fags and booze, whereas Ministers mates will probably do really useful things, like hide it in offshore Bank accounts, or stick in a trust.
No VAT exemption on domestic fuel as Johnson and Gove were selling as one of the advantages of Brexit, when asking this woman and others to vote leave.
The Commons Work and Pensions Committee looked at this cut in February as it was originally due to be cut in March, they said keeping the higher rate until April 2022 must be the minimum.
The Minister for Work and Pensions criticised scaremongering over the expected cut in March, and said Rishi Sunak had "a proven record of stepping up to protect the poorest, the most vulnerable and disadvantaged in our country throughout this pandemic and I have no doubt he will continue to do so" he didn't say, "continue to do so for 6 months and then that's it."
The extra cash is estimated to cost the Treasury £6 Billion for the coming 12 months, clearly a big expense, and we can see why they are keen to end it.
A bit frustrating though, when we know mates of Ministers got rich (or richer), on contracts for PPE that was shit or did not exist, and Brexit related waste and expense is still adding up. Still, **** em, they will only spend the extra cash in the UK economy, probably on fags and booze, whereas Ministers mates will probably do really useful things, like hide it in offshore Bank accounts, or stick in a trust.
Biscuit Barrel
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The only thing that has come unstuck are her legs.
Superphil
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I'd imagine it'll work out alright for the Kardashian kids...
According to some, the kids of the poor are uncountable.
- Apr 5, 2014
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The papers delight in printing stuff like this because they know the pitchfork mob love a bite. The Argus is classic.
Certainly, having five kids is irresponsible if they can't be supported. But the idea that people shouldn't be allowed to have families is disturbing. All a bit 'Keith Joseph'.
The idea that there is a feral underclass should only be considered against the backdrop of a feral elite that has been leading us for years.
Certainly, having five kids is irresponsible if they can't be supported. But the idea that people shouldn't be allowed to have families is disturbing. All a bit 'Keith Joseph'.
The idea that there is a feral underclass should only be considered against the backdrop of a feral elite that has been leading us for years.
What has not really been mentioned on this thread, is that prices have risen significantly recently since the £20 uplift started. Certainly my fuel (Petrol, gas and electricity) costs have significantly increased, as has the cost of my weekly supermarket shop. If I am feeling it, I can imagine that a lot of people are really struggling and not just 'freeloaders', people who work all the hours under the sun in low-paid jobs.
And, as a follow-up thought, as can be seen from my bio, I live just outside of Barnsley where house prices and rent are dirt cheap compared to the South East. I cannot imagine how people in low paid jobs with families are feeling right now in affluent areas.
And, as a follow-up thought, as can be seen from my bio, I live just outside of Barnsley where house prices and rent are dirt cheap compared to the South East. I cannot imagine how people in low paid jobs with families are feeling right now in affluent areas.
marcos3263
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but to a large degree it is true. I chose to wait until I was ready, both financially and mentally to have a child. I then had 1 which means I can do the very best I can for him.
I earn less than many people I know (but yes more than many others) but it means I am not in the horrendous situation that girl is in.
I dont know what the options are - but having 6 kids before your 26th birthday shouldnt be one of them. No matter how much she loves them all they will not get a fair start to life. She can not give them all enough time and care. They will be cramped and will have to share things or go without. I imagine that conflict and arguments are never far away and this will lead to potentially another 6 people growing up in poverty and without an easy way out. and the cycle continues.
Perhaps one kid that she could really bond with and nurture would have been better for them both, now she will probably have a hard life with no chance to better herself.
Of course I have no idea of her situation and shouldn't comment on her life choices as we don't know how she got to this point. The article doesn't mention a father and she could have a wonderful extended family who all pitch in but 6 kids is still a handful.
Gabbafella
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- Aug 22, 2012
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Can't afford to look after kids, then don't have kids. Certainly don't have 5 and then bitch about how much free money you get handed.
Wardy's twin
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- Oct 21, 2014
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Not sure anyone is saying that people should not have a family what they are saying (as you do) is that parent should be primary responsible for the bringing up of their children and that includes financing them.
Baldseagull
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She is primarly responsible, but is receiving financial assistance, which is about to be cut, against the advice of The Commons Work and Pensions Committee which said keeping the higher rate until April 2022 must be the "bare minimum". This is for all people receiving Universal Credit top up which is for those with children or a health condition, hopefully some of whom at least will be people that you feel are deserving of assistance, not just people who have more kids than you think is reasonable and with daft names, like Sixtus or Anselm.
Baldseagull
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What about the 62 year old gent who was made redundant 2 years ago, who says he can only afford to eat a couple of times a week as it is, can he have a moan?
Baldseagull
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Are you saying that the poor shouldn't have children?
Only Prime Ministers and leaders of the HoC should have six or so. Actually, thinking about it, when was Boris Johnson last in Hull?
Gabbafella
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- Aug 22, 2012
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Are you saying that the poor shouldn't have children?
Unless they're willing to sell them to pay their way.
Gabbafella
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- Aug 22, 2012
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What does that have to do with not being able to pay for several children?