Buzzer
Languidly Clinical
- Oct 1, 2006
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Any less ironic than Labour saying that because Gordon has f***ed the country that somehow he's best placed to unfuck it?
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Is there anyway back for Labour?
- Thread starter Harty
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Any less ironic than Labour saying that because Gordon has f***ed the country that somehow he's best placed to unfuck it?
I think he is doing a reasonable job in difficult circumstances. Given how exposed this country is to the US market we are not doing too badly .... relatively. The US is about to roll its last die with the 700 billion rescue plan. We are nowhere near that position, and we still have plenty of slack in the system e.g. interest rates can go a lot lower (the US has dropped theirs pretty much as as far as they can go) and there is still money left for nationalisations if need be. They dithered with respect to Northern Rock but learnt not to do that again.....they were clear and bold 2nd time round with B&B. Brown is shrewd and measured when it comes to bean counting.
As for the tories, even a moron can see that there are problems with imposing a council tax freeze on councils during high inflation. Is this the best the shadow chancellor can come up with. I note he didnt explain how he planned to do this. What will he do tomorrow....drop income tax?
Quite
Amongst all of the media coverage of Osborne's speech today, I really didn't see that many mentions of the fact that he supported John Redwood's proposals to have even less regulation over the City. Obviously the Tories aren't to blame for this mess, but had they been in charge it wouldn't have been the slightest bit different.
Having said that, there's no way any sane person could vote Labour were there an election tomorrow either, so I imagine it would have go elsewhere. If the Lib Dems actually concentrated on PR instead of just who their 27th leader of the decade is going to be, they'd actually stand to do quite well.
Party politics is all one big cock-up, isn't it?
Lord Bracknell
On fire
Give it a few weeks and people might see things very differently.
US financial institutions in meltdown. Government unable to save the economy.
UK financial institutions in difficulty. But Brown's prudence and decisive interventions have kept the economy from total meltdown.
Cameron's Tories identified with the free-marketeers who have broken the US.
If he's got any sense, Brown will persuade us all that this crisis is his Falklands War moment.
US financial institutions in meltdown. Government unable to save the economy.
UK financial institutions in difficulty. But Brown's prudence and decisive interventions have kept the economy from total meltdown.
Cameron's Tories identified with the free-marketeers who have broken the US.
If he's got any sense, Brown will persuade us all that this crisis is his Falklands War moment.
BensGrandad
New member
Hopefully no way back during my life time or my grandchildrens. Whatever anybody says I was better off under the tories, whether or not the country was is immaterial to me as I voted on what suited me best and will do so again.
Tom Hark Preston Park
Will Post For Cash
- Jul 6, 2003
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Buzzer
Languidly Clinical
- Oct 1, 2006
- 26,121
Is this another of your famous political predictions to rank alongside the MASSIVE grassroots rejection of Boris Johnson for London Mayor? Or that Labour actually want to lose the next election so that the Tories can get the blame for it all?
Actually, it's another wind-up. You want to ask Easy 10 how to do those properly. It's the little give-aways such as "Brown's prudence" that let you down.
3 out of 10.
Because the money has run out.
In fact the money ran out some time ago.
So just how much should the country borrow that our childeren and grandchilderen will have to pay back?
Capitalism certainly has it's "unacceptable face", but to try and claim that socialism is the answer is simply risible.
Don't you understand, we have had socialism, (hidden, by the back door), for most of this labour govenments tenure.
It hasn't worked to date, what makes you think a further lurch to the left will make things any better?
Actually, I don't think this is ironic.
I think this is people finally understanding that Labour have blinkers when it comes to capitalism. They simply do not understand the drivers behind capitalists, capitalist thinking, and how markets are meant to operate.
They have been playing with matches without understanding fire.
The tories have a deep understanding of markets and capitalism. Who better to have GOVERNING the operation of the markets.
Govenment is not about fairness, or about handouts, or social engineering. It is about ensuring the smooth operation of "the market" where "the market" is simply a shorthand way of describing how humans interact financially.
Everything else is window dressing and bribes.
Guy Fawkes
The voice of treason
- Sep 29, 2007
- 8,297
This whole Labour Government has been a shamble, they have just taxed, taxed and taxed some more, the tax burden has become so massive, that alot of ordinary people are struggling when the economy needs them most to go out and start spending again, but the can't as they just don't have the money.
Gordon Brown has done so much damage to this country while chancellor, damage which is starting to catch up with him, such as selling off our gold reserves at rock bottom prices, there is nowhere left for this Government to go to unless they end up massively increasing the national debt - making future tax revenues go less far as some has to go to cover this debt, and meaning that political parties hands are tied in what genuinely beneficial policies and schem,es they can run.
Why do millionaires school children now have to have a state funded school meal (as resently proposed?) - all wasting money that could be used for much better causes, or just used better and achieving difference making results rather than the current habit of spending millions for very marginal returns, ie, double the budget for xy or z but only get 5% better results.
So labour have poured shedloads of cash into the public services yet the improvement has been marginal at best - there policies have never been long term policies, but more what will make them seem good at that moment, for instance the farce over increasing doctor numbers, achieved by paying doctors way over the top wages to stay in the national help service but a year later when all the money had gone, they still have the high wages they have to meet, therefore waste of money
or those headline grabbing stories of getting so many extra teachers, doctors and nurses in training, only for there to be no jobs for them at the end of it.
This Government has only ever used short term fixes to long term problems, but so do all political parties, because why let the opposition gain credit should your party lose power before the policies effect kick in.
Gordon Brown has done so much damage to this country while chancellor, damage which is starting to catch up with him, such as selling off our gold reserves at rock bottom prices, there is nowhere left for this Government to go to unless they end up massively increasing the national debt - making future tax revenues go less far as some has to go to cover this debt, and meaning that political parties hands are tied in what genuinely beneficial policies and schem,es they can run.
Why do millionaires school children now have to have a state funded school meal (as resently proposed?) - all wasting money that could be used for much better causes, or just used better and achieving difference making results rather than the current habit of spending millions for very marginal returns, ie, double the budget for xy or z but only get 5% better results.
So labour have poured shedloads of cash into the public services yet the improvement has been marginal at best - there policies have never been long term policies, but more what will make them seem good at that moment, for instance the farce over increasing doctor numbers, achieved by paying doctors way over the top wages to stay in the national help service but a year later when all the money had gone, they still have the high wages they have to meet, therefore waste of money
or those headline grabbing stories of getting so many extra teachers, doctors and nurses in training, only for there to be no jobs for them at the end of it.
This Government has only ever used short term fixes to long term problems, but so do all political parties, because why let the opposition gain credit should your party lose power before the policies effect kick in.
Robot Chicken
Seriously?
Print loads more money and turn us all into millionaires.
It's actually the wrong question. The REAL question is is there any way back for free-market, Thatcherite Tories? They're the ones who got us into this mess by saying that whatever the problem the solution was competition and 'market forces'. They saw the State as merely an interfering, ineffficient hinderance to making money, something to be got out of the way so that capitalists could get on with the important task of 'wealth creation' - even if that 'wealth' was simply lending someone £200,000 for a house worth £150,000
I suppose we might as well have a REAL Tory government as opposed to the artificial one we've got now. They've had ELEVEN YEARS to wind back the Tory mistakes in introducing market forces into everything regardless of suitability (power, transport and health spring immediately to mnd), but like the Daily Mail, now bleating about French involvment in nuclear power, they believed totally in the market economy.
I blame Thatcher!
I suppose we might as well have a REAL Tory government as opposed to the artificial one we've got now. They've had ELEVEN YEARS to wind back the Tory mistakes in introducing market forces into everything regardless of suitability (power, transport and health spring immediately to mnd), but like the Daily Mail, now bleating about French involvment in nuclear power, they believed totally in the market economy.
I blame Thatcher!
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feck me tom we agree on something
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the above statement shows that you have absolutely no f***ing idea what you are on about
you're saying the US cant lower rates any more ?? , the japs had 0% in the nineties, in fact they effectively paid people to borrow, plenty of money for nationalisations ?? the pot is empty , they have spunked it all , what the f*** is it going to take for you to understand this ?? you are spouting absolute bollocks about something you know nothing about. bullshit detector
Back in the garage
- Nov 18, 2003
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Government is about fairness. New Labour has NEVER brought socialism, everything it has done since 1997 is a betrayal of socialism, it has just tried to run capitalism. Now we don't have to put up with that any more. Markets suck. Capitalism, is a brutal, evil system. Archer is a prime example of it - what he did to us is a microcosm of what capitalism does to the world. It used to do it primarily to sweatshop workers and the like, but now it is doing it to everyone but the super rich. It should be swept aside like so much chaff. Unfortunately at the moment people are just too cowed to do it, but if things get worse that may change........
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yes,yes, come the revolution comrade, now go back to 1917 like a good boy.
