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[Help] Is the personal pronoun for a trans non-binary person singular or plural?



Goldstone1976

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Someone came out to me a few days ago as "transgender, non-binary". After a bit of exploration by myself around what that actually meant, I was told that I needed to use "they" as a personal pronoun for them in future.

Aside from the fact that I'm really going to struggle to remember to do this - because I've known the individual as a man for nigh on a decade, so am likely to forget - there is a more pressing concern: should I be declining the reference in the singular or plural?

Is it "They is coming for a beer"? or "They are coming for a beer"?
 






Goldstone1976

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They are

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Even though that will inevitably lead to confusion in the mind of the person to whom I'm addressing the statement?

"They are coming for a beer"
"Who are?"
"PPF* are"
"PPF and whom?"
"Just PPF"
"Errr..."

*Name chosen at random. Any similarities to actual persons, living or dead, is entirely coincidental.
 


Tom Hark Preston Park

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Jul 6, 2003
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Aside from the fact that I'm really going to struggle to remember to do this - because I've known the individual as a man for nigh on a decade, so am likely to forget - there is a more pressing concern: should I be declining the reference in the singular or plural?

Is it "They is coming for a beer"? or "They are coming for a beer"?

Easiest solution would be to decline the beer invite shirley? Wait til They ask you. Job done :thumbsup:
 






Greg Bobkin

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May 22, 2012
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Even though that will inevitably lead to confusion in the mind of the person to whom I'm addressing the statement?

"They are coming for a beer"
"Who are?"
"PPF* are"
"PPF and whom?"
"Just PPF"
"Errr..."

*Name chosen at random. Any similarities to actual persons, living or dead, is entirely coincidental.


"They are coming for a beer"
"Who are?"
"PPF"

The same as you could have a conversation along the lines of:

"Someone's coming around today look at my house."
"Where are they coming from?"
"They are coming from Bristol."
"What time will they be here?"
"About 6pm"

You're still talking about an individual, all the time up until they are identified.
 


beorhthelm

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Birdie Boy

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Jun 17, 2011
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"They are coming for a beer"
"Who are?"
"PPF"

The same as you could have a conversation along the lines of:

"Someone's coming around today look at my house."
"Where are they coming from?"
"They are coming from Bristol."
"What time will they be here?"
"About 6pm"

You're still talking about an individual, all the time up until they are identified.
You should be replying he or she is coming from Bristol, not they...

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Greg Bobkin

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May 22, 2012
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You should be replying he or she is coming from Bristol, not they...

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Not if you didn't know if it was a man or woman coming...
 








Billy the Fish

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Oct 18, 2005
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"They are coming for a beer"
"Who are?"
"PPF"

The same as you could have a conversation along the lines of:

"Someone's coming around today look at my house."
"Where are they coming from?"
"They are coming from Bristol."
"What time will they be here?"
"About 6pm"

You're still talking about an individual, all the time up until they are identified.

It's the correct answer
 




Easy 10

Brain dead MUG SHEEP
Jul 5, 2003
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Bear in mind too, if they is single, then they may also object to this label and instead ask to be referred to as being "self-partnering".
 




RossyG

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Dec 20, 2014
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Their pronouns are either he or she depending on whether they are male or female.
 






Fungus

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May 21, 2004
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Wasn't there a long NSC discussion on this about a month ago?
 




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