Is no statue safe?

[Beach Seagull]

Do you believe slave traders should be revered and immortalized, with celebratory memorials in our towns, and cities?

Not given it much thought to be honest. I do find it amusing how it's suddenly become the 'in' thing to 'protest' about, why wasn't it an issue last year, or the year before or ten years ago? We love a 'cause' here don't we, I expect the people who have a major problem with historical statues were the same one's who last year were banging on about 'mental health awareness last year as that was the 'in' cause last year. Next!!!

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

Because I don't want to /can't be bothered. Ok? Awaits the 'if you are that bothered why don't you' as I can exactly where this is going.

If you make comments using silent majority, liberal nsc etc then prove it with data. A poll would be the best approach would it not.
Queue ‘ I don’t need a poll to know I’m right’ response.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

 

[daveinplzen]

Not given it much thought to be honest. I do find it amusing how it's suddenly become the 'in' thing to 'protest' about, why wasn't it an issue last year, or the year before or ten years ago? We love a 'cause' here don't we, I expect the people who have a major problem with historical statues were the same one's who last year were banging on about 'mental health awareness last year as that was the 'in' cause last year. Next!!!

I dont think campaigning against racism is the 'in thing'. Now that you have thought about it, do you believe memorials to slave traders should stay in our towns and cities?

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

Not given it much thought to be honest. I do find it amusing how it's suddenly become the 'in' thing to 'protest' about, why wasn't it an issue last year, or the year before or ten years ago? We love a 'cause' here don't we, I expect the people who have a major problem with historical statues were the same one's who last year were banging on about 'mental health awareness last year as that was the 'in' cause last year. Next!!!

This has been kicking around for ages. There’s a yearly debate regards Cecil Rhodes statue and the scholarship he bequeathed. It’s not the first time that statues linked to the slave trader have been defaced. It’s just that BLM has been brought to a head. I believe such statues should be in a museum so they can be debated and that we understand our history.
What’s wrong with mental health awareness? PTSD anyone.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

 

[Beach Seagull]

If you make comments using silent majority, liberal nsc etc then prove it with data. A poll would be the best approach would it not.
Queue ‘ I don’t need a poll to know I’m right’ response.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Polls aren't always accurate barometers of opinion. If you want to start one feel free to do so.

 

[Beach Seagull]

I dont think campaigning against racism is the 'in thing'. Now that you have thought about it, do you believe memorials to slave traders should stay in our towns and cities?

Keep them, don't rewrite history. I'm not in the least bit bothered about them, if there was a statue of a person of colour who used white slaves where I live (newhaven) it wouldn't bother me at all, it's history, I'm not a slave my family aren't.

 

[Beach Seagull]

This has been kicking around for ages. There’s a yearly debate regards Cecil Rhodes statue and the scholarship he bequeathed. It’s not the first time that statues linked to the slave trader have been defaced. It’s just that BLM has been brought to a head. I believe such statues should be in a museum so they can be debated and that we understand our history.
What’s wrong with mental health awareness? PTSD anyone.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Where did I say 'mental health awareness' was 'wong' ? I said 'in' not 'wrong'.

 

[Mr Bridger]

Well, I assume the poster is inferring that they were black but then black people seem to be in the minority on these protest marches. They are dominated by young white women ( most of whom would otherwise be in seats of learning and not have time on their hands ) aged late teens to early/mid 20's. Lets call them the spoilt generation. White middle class. No struggles in life. Everything provided and paid for. All have passed through our dumbed down education system. All think they are brighter than they are. All want to campaign on whatever rights issue is fashionable at the time. Not old enough for Brexit vote....Trump against women....Climate change...BLM....bring them all on...the more the merrier. Its not enough to protest peacefully. Its better to keep screaming your message over and over again, on the basis that hysteria works better than quiet consensus. After all, they know best. You can't have any tolerance in society for values that existed years ago. Those people should have known better. They shouldn't have been slave traders or racists or colonialists.
Its all pretty mixed up when people are calling for the boycott of white owned shops, destroying public monuments and putting pressure on broadcasters to remove programmes that are now, apparently, offensive, when you can find a number of reference points to Winnie Mandela around London. Roads, houses,schools etc. Probably one of the worst racists who has ever lived. Who was instrumental in the torture and killing of thousands. Who revelled in seeing opponents wearing rubber tyres filled with petrol, round their necks and then setting light to them. Ghastly women. An object lesson in brutality, racism and intolerance.
Think a letter might be winging its way to Sadiq Khan but there again, I'm probably wasting my time. Churchill will be removed before Winnie Mandela.

I here Winnie had a penchant for going up and down Nelsons column

Good post BTW

 

[hans kraay fan club]

I wonder how many of the 4 brave souls who mugged my nephew and his 2 friends at knifepoint in November 2018 in Bristol for their wallets, concert tickets and phones were at the BLM protests in Bristol last Sunday.

Why would they have been?

Well, I assume the poster is inferring that they were black but then black people seem to be in the minority on these protest marches. They are dominated by young white women ( most of whom would otherwise be in seats of learning and not have time on their hands ) aged late teens to early/mid 20's. Lets call them the spoilt generation. White middle class. No struggles in life. Everything provided and paid for. All have passed through our dumbed down education system. All think they are brighter than they are. All want to campaign on whatever rights issue is fashionable at the time. Not old enough for Brexit vote....Trump against women....Climate change...BLM....bring them all on...the more the merrier. Its not enough to protest peacefully. Its better to keep screaming your message over and over again, on the basis that hysteria works better than quiet consensus. After all, they know best.

Brilliant post.

Thanks to Mo, for his helpful post. I’d taken the same inference from Beachy’s first post, but can see now that his angst in this case, was caused by the mugging of his unfortunate nephew, by a gang of middle-class sixth-form girls.

 

[Hugo Rune]

Lovely to see a White Ally doing his bit for BLM in Brighton. One down, one to go.

 

[Guinness Boy]

Thanks to Mo, for his helpful post. I’d taken the same inference from Beachy’s first post, but can see now that his angst in this case, was caused by the mugging of his unfortunate nephew, by a gang of middle-class sixth-form girls.

Tea out on to laptop screen moment, which is a pain in the rear in a viral pandemic.

 

[Beach Seagull]

Thanks to Mo, for his helpful post. I’d taken the same inference from Beachy’s first post, but can see now that his angst in this case, was caused by the mugging of his unfortunate nephew, by a gang of middle-class sixth-form girls.

I made no reference to the gender or ethnicity of the c*nts who robbed my nephew and his friends, there was absolutely no 'inference' . I merely 'wondered' if those responsible for robbing a group of 16 year old's at knifepoint then attended the BLM protests in Bristol.

 

[knocky1]

Well, I assume the poster is inferring that they were black but then black people seem to be in the minority on these protest marches. They are dominated by young white women ( most of whom would otherwise be in seats of learning and not have time on their hands ) aged late teens to early/mid 20's. Lets call them the spoilt generation. White middle class. No struggles in life. Everything provided and paid for. All have passed through our dumbed down education system. All think they are brighter than they are. All want to campaign on whatever rights issue is fashionable at the time. Not old enough for Brexit vote....Trump against women....Climate change...BLM....bring them all on...the more the merrier. Its not enough to protest peacefully. Its better to keep screaming your message over and over again, on the basis that hysteria works better than quiet consensus. After all, they know best. You can't have any tolerance in society for values that existed years ago. Those people should have known better. They shouldn't have been slave traders or racists or colonialists.
Its all pretty mixed up when people are calling for the boycott of white owned shops, destroying public monuments and putting pressure on broadcasters to remove programmes that are now, apparently, offensive, when you can find a number of reference points to Winnie Mandela around London. Roads, houses,schools etc. Probably one of the worst racists who has ever lived. Who was instrumental in the torture and killing of thousands. Who revelled in seeing opponents wearing rubber tyres filled with petrol, round their necks and then setting light to them. Ghastly women. An object lesson in brutality, racism and intolerance.
Think a letter might be winging its way to Sadiq Khan but there again, I'm probably wasting my time. Churchill will be removed before Winnie Mandela.

Best to get your facts right before a long rant. Winnie was once married to a man named Nelson who was nearly as famous as her. Buildings,eg Mandela House Plumstead and roads,eg Mandela Way in Bermondsey are still named after him in London and Britain today.
Former Winnie Mandela House in Peckham is now just a facade for a new development named Pelican House.

 

[Live by the sea]

Thanks to Mo, for his helpful post. I’d taken the same inference from Beachy’s first post, but can see now that his angst in this case, was caused by the mugging of his unfortunate nephew, by a gang of middle-class sixth-form girls.

That’s very funny . From what I’ve seen on the tv , it’s about 50/50 .

What I would say is that these marches and protests come at a time ironically when Black people are being treated the best they have ever been treated certainly in the UK . There is still some way to go but it’s certainly got a lot better over the last 25 years than the previous 25 years .

As Priti would say , sometimes you need to realise when you are lucky .

That doesn’t mean there is no racism of course there is but it’s a lot better than it was . Can’t speak for the USA.

My advice would be , don’t waste your energy on statues built over a 100 years ago . Put your energy to succeeding in life . Get educated if u need to, look for opportunities, never give up , you are as good as everyone else . Less anger about the past more focus on today .

 

[Beach Seagull]

Best to get your facts right before a long rant. Winnie was once married to a man named Nelson who was nearly as famous as her. Buildings,eg Mandela House Plumstead and roads,eg Mandela Way in Bermondsey are still named after him in London and Britain today.
Former Winnie Mandela House in Peckham is now just a facade for a new development named Pelican House.

A convicted terrorist.

 

[Guinness Boy]

That’s very funny . From what I’ve seen on the tv , it’s about 50/50 .

What I would say is that these marches and protests come at a time ironically when Black people are being treated the best they have ever been treated certainly in the UK . There is still some way to go but it’s certainly got a lot better over the last 25 years than the previous 25 years .

Which bit should we be most proud of, the Windrush scandal or the fact that coronvirus is disproportionately nasty to BAME people who seem to be in jobs in the direct firing line?

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

Where did I say 'mental health awareness' was 'wong' ? I said 'in' not 'wrong'.

A typo ... it happens.
You implied that those supporting blm were most likely supporting mental health awareness as if it was some sort of fad. It isn’t.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

 

[Beach Seagull]

A typo ... it happens.
You implied that those supporting blm were most likely supporting mental health awareness as if it was some sort of fad. It isn’t.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

It is. Will be something else soon.

 

[daveinplzen]

Keep them, don't rewrite history. I'm not in the least bit bothered about them, if there was a statue of a person of colour who used white slaves where I live (newhaven) it wouldn't bother me at all, it's history, I'm not a slave my family aren't.

Theres a significant population in Bristol with a a slave history who would probabaly disagree with that sentiment and consider you an enabler to racism. Would you be bothered if such memorials were removed, and placed in museums with explanations as to who they are, why a statue was raised and subsequently removed? Seems the sensible thing to me tbh

 

[Live by the sea]

Which bit should we be most proud of, the Windrush scandal or the fact that coronvirus is disproportionately nasty to BAME people who seem to be in jobs in the direct firing line?

I never said it was perfect , I made it very clear there is still racism and we still have a way to go in the UK But it is a lot better than it was, certainly even 25 years ago . Let’s look for the positives . British people are by and large nowdays not racist . We have come a long way .