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Is Keir really credible?

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Silverhatch

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I find it strange that people are picking holes in Starmer implying the Tories will do a better job.
Twelve years of austerity, ideological infighting over Europe and a liar and chancer leading us through Brexit and the pandemic. The Tories need a prolonged period in opposition and the country needs huge political reform.
 






Half Time Pies

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I think he has more credibility than any other candidate in recent years having already had a very successful career as a lawyer and ending up as director of Public Prosecutions. This gives me hope that he offers an alternative to these career politicians that seem so out of touch and incompetent.

Those that criticise him for sitting on the fence don't understand that currently this offers him the best opportunity to be elected. The current trend is to label politicians and fit them in to boxes, you are either this or that. The right wingers try hard to exploit this (e.g. 'the anti growth alliance', 'remoaner', 'Coalition of Chaos'), they can't at the moment put Starmer in a box which is frustrating them, It's forcing them to face up to questions about the validity of their own policies rather than attack the opposition.

Starmer's just sitting back and watching them implode! It's the perfect strategy at the moment and i doubt that will change until we are much closer to a general election being called.
 








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Seems likely…..if an election is called within say the next six months…(but then it may not be)……then we’ll know what he’s really made of
Unlike Truss, who became Prime Minister not so much by default, but by the lying and cheating of BoJo and the Tory members not wanting a brown man running the country, and who now we all know is made of something weaker than lettuce!
 


trueblue

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Starmer will be Prime Minidtet through default, not credit. It’ll be interesting to see how he fares.
Seems to me he's an intelligent man, who's shown that previously outside of politics. He's dealt with the more troublesome elements of his own party, which required strong leadership. He also genuinely appears to have an interest in the success of the country, rather than simply satisfying his own ego. That alone puts him miles ahead of any of the self-serving lickspittles we're currently saddled with.

I'm sure he'd fare fine, given the opportunity. He could hardly fare worse.
 


The Antikythera Mechanism

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Seems to me he's an intelligent man, who's shown that previously outside of politics. He's dealt with the more troublesome elements of his own party, which required strong leadership. He also genuinely appears to have an interest in the success of the country, rather than simply satisfying his own ego. That alone puts him miles ahead of any of the self-serving lickspittles we're currently saddled with.

I'm sure he'd fare fine, given the opportunity. He could hardly fare worse.
To qualify as a Barrister you certainly need to be intelligent, but it’s a profession where you know that you may have to “bend the truth” much like Estate Agents, Recruitment Consultants and Politicians. He is certainly a better choice than anyone the current Government can put forward, it’s just a matter of how much better.
 




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To qualify as a Barrister you certainly need to be intelligent, but it’s a profession where you know that you may have to “bend the truth” much like Estate Agents, Recruitment Consultants and Politicians. He is certainly a better choice than anyone the current Government can put forward, it’s just a matter of how much better.
What qualification is required to become director of public prosecutions? Or do you bracket this with politician?

Having been involved in legal issues of a range of different types (mostly patent establishment and challenge), my experience of them is they are seeking the truth, and of course trying to sell the truth they think they have found, or limit the adverse effects of a truth.

There are many, of course, who use their skills in oratory or rhetoric to persuade people that up is down for monetary gain. Starmer, with his rather stodgy persona, and lack of much in the way of charisma (hence the OP starting this thread!) does not strike me as being in this particular cohort.

Hope you're enjoying the weekend. I managed a nice walk in the sunshine in between deluges. :thumbsup:
 


The Antikythera Mechanism

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What qualification is required to become director of public prosecutions? Or do you bracket this with politician?

Having been involved in legal issues of a range of different types (mostly patent establishment and challenge), my experience of them is they are seeking the truth, and of course trying to sell the truth they think they have found, or limit the adverse effects of a truth.

There are many, of course, who use their skills in oratory or rhetoric to persuade people that up is down for monetary gain. Starmer, with his rather stodgy persona, and lack of much in the way of charisma (hence the OP starting this thread!) does not strike me as being in this particular cohort.

Hope you're enjoying the weekend. I managed a nice walk in the sunshine in between deluges. :thumbsup:
From my experience, whether you’re a non practising Barrister, in Chambers or in the Judiciary, your career progression will depend on whether you’re “on the square” Maybe that would help in securing a DPP role. Who knows?
 








Is it PotG?

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Feb 20, 2017
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The cracks will widen once he has to slide off the fence and commit to solid strategies other than Operation Windfall which has been proven faulty in the long run.
 






rogersix

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The cracks will widen once he has to slide off the fence and commit to solid strategies other than Operation Windfall which has been proven faulty in the long run.
when do you think sunak will call it, the big tickbox exercise?

shirley, as late as poss, to turn round all these apalling figures, and give sks some "spends" :thumbsup: :wink:
 


Lever

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Feb 6, 2019
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Sir Keir again bottling PMQ's.


Call me cynical but is Labour keeping him away from facing Big Bad Boris?


Positive test again............yeah right.


Perhaps he has been snuggling up with some anti-vaxers???

The time appears to be ticking for him, McDonnell loves a good lynching apparently.
Looks like 'Big bad Boris' is being kept away now.

Thoughts, if you have any?
 


The Antikythera Mechanism

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i see, so when starmer wins his second election, then you will give him credit?

and, obviously, may, johnson and truss are all bogus
I will as, by then, the chances are that he will be facing a more credible opposition than individuals the current Government offers. Johnson won a GE so hardly bogus, the other two, yes.
 


Lever

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The cracks will widen once he has to slide off the fence and commit to solid strategies other than Operation Windfall which has been proven faulty in the long run.
You don't have a great track record for predictions... but I suppose if you keep trying you'll get something right at some point....

I enjoy watching your tribal pontifications fail, especially when they are based on no evidence whatever. Keep going.....
 








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